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1) what happens if you decide to interviewbut get a job offer with another company in December, can you still get a severance and cobra?
2) when would be the last day and start of severance and cobra if you interview and don't get the job?
3) when is the severance starting for those that decide not to interview?

Please only serious responses. I am a single parent with a child who has cancer and I am just trying to figure out worst case scenario due to health insurance for my child.
 




anonymous said:
1) what happens if you decide to interviewbut get a job offer with another company in December, can you still get a severance and cobra?
2) when would be the last day and start of severance and cobra if you interview and don't get the job?
3) when is the severance starting for those that decide not to interview?

Please only serious responses. I am a single parent with a child who has cancer and I am just trying to figure out worst case scenario due to health insurance for my child.
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I'm so sorry your sweet child has cancer. It puts a whole different perspective on cutbacks. I have the same questions that you do. I hope the company puts out a q&a soon regarding all of these questions. I believe DSI is being intentionally vague, they know the answers and they aren't sharing them with us.
 




First off, I'm very sorry to hear off your child and the situation you are all facing. My advice is to make sure you fill out the candidate form once it's posted and go through the process here at DSI. With regards to the other position you are applying for, if you should get the offer, wait to give your notice until you have a start date at the other company. Worst case is that if you don't have a position here at DSI, your severence and cobra would start mid to end of Jan.
 








I'm an HR person (not at DSI so don't start saying ugly things about me please...I've seen some of the hate spewn towards them). If you take another job and there is a delay before you insurance starts, you can opt to sign up for COBRA from DSI. COBRA is available regardless of the reason for loss of benefits... voluntary termination or involuntary. On the other hand, the only way you will get severance, however, (unless they did something INCREDIBLY weird and stupid) is if you are "involuntarily terminated" - so depends all on timing. If timing works out that you accept another job but it doesn't start until after you are told to vacate your position at DSI, then YES - you get the severance from Daiichi. Does that make sense?
All that being said - prayers to you and your child in this incredibly stressful and difficult time. I hope good times come to pass!
 




HR person, I have a question. We have to sign our intent letters between Nov 9-16. If we sign the intent NOT to interview on Nov 9 or so, knowing we have a job lined up already, but our last day with DSI is supposed to be at the end of November (they haven't told us this info yet), yet the new place of employment would like a start date earlier than that, would we still be eligible for the severance since we already signed the letter of intent to NOT interview? They stated initially that if we decided not to interview we were eligible for severance. Would signing that letter and turning it in complete that or would working the full time until the last date be part of that? I guess we don't know yet?
 




anonymous said:
HR person, I have a question. We have to sign our intent letters between Nov 9-16. If we sign the intent NOT to interview on Nov 9 or so, knowing we have a job lined up already, but our last day with DSI is supposed to be at the end of November (they haven't told us this info yet), yet the new place of employment would like a start date earlier than that, would we still be eligible for the severance since we already signed the letter of intent to NOT interview? They stated initially that if we decided not to interview we were eligible for severance. Would signing that letter and turning it in complete that or would working the full time until the last date be part of that? I guess we don't know yet?
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Not the HR individual but I've been around. You would just have to hedge your bets with that one. Kind of odd they have you sign away your fate but expect you to work for a couple weeks past. Can't imagine that would be productive. But really though, think about it. Is the severance worth it? Is it really worth not immediately taking a new job and hopefully never looking back?? Some companies won't wait for you but my company just pulled an offer because the candidate was hemming and hawing whether or not to take it. His would-be boss made the decision for him and now someone else will get the opportunity.
 




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Not the HR individual but I've been around. You would just have to hedge your bets with that one. Kind of odd they have you sign away your fate but expect you to work for a couple weeks past. Can't imagine that would be productive. But really though, think about it. Is the severance worth it? Is it really worth not immediately taking a new job and hopefully never looking back?? Some companies won't wait for you but my company just pulled an offer because the candidate was hemming and hawing whether or not to take it. His would-be boss made the decision for him and now someone else will get the opportunity.
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HR person here- I have to agree with this person... However -- it COULD be worth asking the new company if they're willing to wait OR offer a sign on bonus to offset. DON'T "hem and haw" though -- be honest and say that the severance is a lot of money and while you don't want it to be a deciding factor, it would sure help cover holiday, medical, house expenses etc., would they be willing to wait a week or two. Honesty IS the best option in all cases!!! But in the end a NEW FUTURE is ahead - LEAN IN TO IT.
 




In my 17 year career I have never heard of such a layoff policy that DSI is implementing. The complexity of this layoff policy alone should give you an idea of what happens when you let clowns run an organization. Re-apply for a made up title are you kidding? This organization has made layoff process so complex that people with college degrees can't figure it out.
 




anonymous said:
HR person here- I have to agree with this person... However -- it COULD be worth asking the new company if they're willing to wait OR offer a sign on bonus to offset. DON'T "hem and haw" though -- be honest and say that the severance is a lot of money and while you don't want it to be a deciding factor, it would sure help cover holiday, medical, house expenses etc., would they be willing to wait a week or two. Honesty IS the best option in all cases!!! But in the end a NEW FUTURE is ahead - LEAN IN TO IT.
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I complete disagree with this post. Not one person at DSI had any leverage to be demanding anything from their new employer. If you get a new job take it and figure out the rest later.
 




anonymous said:
I complete disagree with this post. Not one person at DSI had any leverage to be demanding anything from their new employer. If you get a new job take it and figure out the rest later.
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I never said to DEMAND anything. I simply said it can't hurt to be HONEST and ASK to delay the start date. Try reading what is actually WRITTEN next time.
 




I'm sorry to hear about your child. You are in a position where you have to look out for number 1. Stay employed at DSI as long as you can even if the other job is offered. Take it but do not say anything to DSI about it. It's frankly none of their business. It's not as if your manager is going to come ride with you during the last two or three weeks of your employment. Stay with DSI until the end and with the new company at the same time. You will more than likely be doing home study anyway so you'll be home studying for new position. Once the of DSI arrives, you will have the severance and the benefits if they are needed plus you will be started in new company. DSI isn't looking out for you so don't feel bad about any of this. Take care of yourself and your child. I know people will come on here and say that this isn't ethical. You have to make sure you and your child are covered.
 




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I'm sorry to hear about your child. You are in a position where you have to look out for number 1. Stay employed at DSI as long as you can even if the other job is offered. Take it but do not say anything to DSI about it. It's frankly none of their business. It's not as if your manager is going to come ride with you during the last two or three weeks of your employment. Stay with DSI until the end and with the new company at the same time. You will more than likely be doing home study anyway so you'll be home studying for new position. Once the of DSI arrives, you will have the severance and the benefits if they are needed plus you will be started in new company. DSI isn't looking out for you so don't feel bad about any of this. Take care of yourself and your child. I know people will come on here and say that this isn't ethical. You have to make sure you and your child are covered.
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Spot on!!! Best advice yet
 




anonymous said:
I'm sorry to hear about your child. You are in a position where you have to look out for number 1. Stay employed at DSI as long as you can even if the other job is offered. Take it but do not say anything to DSI about it. It's frankly none of their business. It's not as if your manager is going to come ride with you during the last two or three weeks of your employment. Stay with DSI until the end and with the new company at the same time. You will more than likely be doing home study anyway so you'll be home studying for new position. Once the of DSI arrives, you will have the severance and the benefits if they are needed plus you will be started in new company. DSI isn't looking out for you so don't feel bad about any of this. Take care of yourself and your child. I know people will come on here and say that this isn't ethical. You have to make sure you and your child are covered.
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anonymous said:
I'm sorry to hear about your child. You are in a position where you have to look out for number 1. Stay employed at DSI as long as you can even if the other job is offered. Take it but do not say anything to DSI about it. It's frankly none of their business. It's not as if your manager is going to come ride with you during the last two or three weeks of your employment. Stay with DSI until the end and with the new company at the same time. You will more than likely be doing home study anyway so you'll be home studying for new position. Once the of DSI arrives, you will have the severance and the benefits if they are needed plus you will be started in new company. DSI isn't looking out for you so don't feel bad about any of this. Take care of yourself and your child. I know people will come on here and say that this isn't ethical. You have to make sure you and your child are covered.
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I completely agree with poster #13. That advice is dead on. There is nothing illegal or unethical about that at all. While I would keep my focus on interviewing and moving away from this company, do not say a word to DSI about it - including your friends within the company. The position isn't yours until you've signed an offer letter, your background check has gone through and any other screenings, etc that new hires must clear. I would argue that until your start date is set in stone, you don't have the job.

That said, if you're looking to work for a larger company, not much goes on in the months and time between Thanksgiving and New Year's Eve. Not only is it the end of a calendar year, but it's also the time where employees (including higher ups) take their days off. This is especially true of 'use it or lose it' personal days that won't carry over to next year. Keep that in mind and don't think that just because you're interviewing now and you don't hear back before year's end, that you didn't get the job.

Take every interview you can get - even if it's for positions you don't think you qualify for or don't want. You never know who you'll meet in an interview and what doors may open. I actually got a job with another company because I interviewed for a position I wasn't that in to.
 




Youre getting some great advice. It would be great if we knew how long we were required to hang on after we signed our intent letters. But honestly, if it's December, that's not that far. You could conceivably start with another company doing home study and stay here and no one at Dsi would know. Just keep quiet about it.
 




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I completely agree with poster #13. That advice is dead on. There is nothing illegal or unethical about that at all. While I would keep my focus on interviewing and moving away from this company, do not say a word to DSI about it - including your friends within the company. The position isn't yours until you've signed an offer letter, your background check has gone through and any other screenings, etc that new hires must clear. I would argue that until your start date is set in stone, you don't have the job.

That said, if you're looking to work for a larger company, not much goes on in the months and time between Thanksgiving and New Year's Eve. Not only is it the end of a calendar year, but it's also the time where employees (including higher ups) take their days off. This is especially true of 'use it or lose it' personal days that won't carry over to next year. Keep that in mind and don't think that just because you're interviewing now and you don't hear back before year's end, that you didn't get the job.

Take every interview you can get - even if it's for positions you don't think you qualify for or don't want. You never know who you'll meet in an interview and what doors may open. I actually got a job with another company because I interviewed for a position I wasn't that in to.
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Not sure where you get your legal advise, but as a matter of fact it IS illegal AND unethical to work at one company without first leaving the other - AND any lawyer would agree... it is considered "theft by deception" and my current company just terminated an employee for the exact scenario so don't be foolish.
 




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Not sure where you get your legal advise, but as a matter of fact it IS illegal AND unethical to work at one company without first leaving the other - AND any lawyer would agree... it is considered "theft by deception" and my current company just terminated an employee for the exact scenario so don't be foolish.
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Because Dsi is such an ethical upstanding company, REALLY??? Look the garbage that this company has done to many good employees since Ken and Rob have taken over will get DSI into another class action law suit. The op has a legitimate issue and may god see her and her child through this rough spot. Unfortunately people have to look at thier best interests because no company Especially DSI being lead by two morally bankrupt individuals like Ken and Rob look out for their own selfish interests. Don't get me started on Ethical, Ken knew Benicar was losing its patent and to allow that scum bag Rob to hire 70 new hires with all of our down sizing woes. Look jerk this is the tip of the iceberg and payback will come arond, spouting out what is Ethical, you make me sick.
 




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