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POST MATCH DAY
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has this spreadsheet lived out it's usefulness?YES. And then some. More rank lists and Away Rotation reviews are always appreciated on their respective tabs. Otherwise, any additional commentary or questions are always welcome on SDN! Namaste, y'all -@surely
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Rank order list SDN thread is live! Contribute here or on the Rank Lists tab.
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VSAS season is almost here to claim the sanity of the MS3s. Please consider adding an Away Rotation review here.
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Add your wisdom to the Advice for Future Applicants tab, and please consider adding your stats and # of interviews to the Applicant Info tab, if you haven't already.
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SOAP advice: Get an anesthesia rotation stat, tell attendings you want a letter for residency, kick ass, be prepared to try SOAPing into Anesthesia (~20 open spots last year). PM @theWUbear for more advice.
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FUCKING MATCH DAYYYYYYYYYY
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Matched to #11. I'm not sure why I need to share this with random internet strangers, but I'm having trouble coming to terms with the 10 hard passes that I received on the interview trail. Everyone from advisors to interviewers to A/PDs assured me that I'd match #1/#2 as I was a stereotypical 265+/265+, AOA, straight-H candidate. I know that I'll be happy to train where I matched, but I can't help but shake the knowledge that my specific career plans and niche are probably no longer on the table without the specific opportunities that my #1-#10 offered. Nearest job opportunity for SO is 2 hours away and a huge compromise for them. At the end of the day, though: I Matched. I'm a doctor. I get to work the best job in medicine. I can provide a good life for my family. And even if yesterday's plans are now today's pipe dreams, I still get to have some fun in the ED. So that's me. JAFERD.I'm glad you shared, helps me some. I matched 12 at a program much more prestigious than all but one below that on the list. Everyone is congratulating me, the admin is thrilled. It's like the fuckin twilight zone. I have similar SO issues. I bet your problem was that your 1-10 were just very competitive. My problem I'll never understand. It could have been worse though. And your comments near the end are spot on. This is a great specialty that can be a lot of fun. It is also in flux.
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for the non-matched applicants, what are you all planning? I SOAPed into a surgery prelim spot at my home site >> Also matched in surg prelim.... Know nothing about surg, i have no idea how the future is going to look. :(. On the bright side, its at a program with an EM residency. Matched into my number 1 choice..IU! I’m so happy>>bottom quartile, no 3rd year honors, matched #2 at very well-regarded program. #RespectTheSLOEI just want to take a poll. How many of yall matched today being in the bottom quartile? I was told it was a red flag on my app and may have contributed to not matching. < matched being bottom quartile... SLOES can save you <-- how far on your rank list did you match? - same, was at the bottom and matched number 2 at a great program< guy who commented on SLOES saving you here, I matched my #1 choice and had 15+ interviews offered with not amazing board scores.
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Don't trust anyone. +5 < "don't worry about your rank list. You will not go lower than us" *Goes lower than them on rank list*< as House says, "Everybody lies."for all you screwing with UCLA -OV and my heart, still matched to it without any post-iv communication or calls!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS! <woop woop, me too! See you in June :) :) :)
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Matched far down my list. I think I'm gonna change specialties. Clearly EM isn't meant for me. I deserve much better than this. < Shouldnt rank a program you dont want to go to. Congrats, you played yourself<you kidding right, there were a bunch of people who failed to match and couldn't soap into any EM program. it's understandable to be disappointed not getting your top picks but saying you matched too low and thus should switch specialties just seems entitled. < I don’t wanna be a triage nurse. I’d rather actually be good at something unlike EM where the doctors are experts at nothing < Experts at resuscitation<-- I'd rather triage than be someones bitch boy and round endlessly and do mental masturbation while being paid a paltry sum. EM >IM < LOL Cards and GI get paid way more than any sorry EM doc <-- are you high? EM docs here get paid 400k working 140 hours/month... thats 35 hours per week... if the increased the shifts to match cards, they would pull in much more than cards... go back to rounding bitch boy. < lol okay have fun giving boluses of fluid to everyone triage bitch. Let me know when you’re the expert in something. Also I hope you enjoy missing your kids birthday party when you're busy working an evening shift like a doofus <---hope you enjoy working 60 hours a week while I work 12 days a month making twice your income. Enjoy treating chronic problems and writing essays for your H&Ps. < damn, that IM troll must've matched real low on his list <Seriously, what a fucking scrub haha <-- happy triage bitch here, sorry you're so salty
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Got my number 1 !!!!! AHHHH SO FUCKING HAPPY!Didn't get my top, but after dealing with the required disappointment I'm so excited to be going to my #3. Can't wait to be an ED doc
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remember to change your fake ass facebook names back to your real name so that your co-interns can find you tomorrow
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!I think I need to pound some nyquil to fall asleep, too excited Just so thankful to have matched, we're gonna do it y'all. Wherever we end up, we'll make it awesome! < YESSSS, new residency families about to be born all over the place! SO MUCH FEELS. Im so disappointed and sad that I wont be matching into EM with all of you :/

A year wasted, a year of lost physician income, and just this feeling of not being liked by any of the programs I interviewed at.. < When you match next year, we'll be your supportive and fun seniors! There's a home for you in EM!<------I also didn't match into EM last year, felt the same way as you, but it actually made me a stronger applicant. You'll have more experience, you'll have a lot more to talk about during your interviews, and you'll look really impressive compared to 4th years. It really will work out, I met a lot of reapplicants on the interview trail and they were all getting interviews. It feels like the end of the world, but it isn't. You'll get EM just not this year.

^^^^thank you for the encouraging words! I hope that is the case! Im already applying for away rotations to get better SLOEs while I am still a 4th year. < +1 for the positivity and good vibes for everyone. best of luck! <--Thats a great idea, I actually did a few shifts at an outside hospital (not an away) in my area, and they ended up writing me a SLOE and interviewing me. When I first asked them for the opportunity to work with them for more exposure, they werent going to write me a SLOE bc it wasnt a month. But by the end of it all, they were more than happy to do it for me. You just have to be a hard worker and show dedication, always be down to do anything, and if they tell you to go early, never leave early. Stay late, basically you should be at about intern level by now, you could really help them out w/those low risk visits. Aka simple migraine w/pt w/known hx of migraines, etc.
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One of my friends on Facebook said that someone from UCLA-Olive View called them and told them they got in. Please tell me this isn't true :( <No, they aren't. Just some dude trolling.<programs aren't allowed to call until tomorrow dude. Chill. < This is some dedicated trolling < Why do people troll with my #1 :[ :[ :[< oh yeah? well one of my friends told me that his friend got a call from someone at MGH who told him that his buddy got into Vandy. Please tell me this isn't true!!! < CUUUUUUUUUUTE < which is perfectly fine - your body your choice < Not that theres anything wrong with that < And I bet he didn't even have the decency to give you an eskimo kiss < +1 for BLOWJOBS. < holy shit who is editing these with #keepEMclassy bullshit. god damn fucking children. < forreal. delicate virgin ears/eyes...good luck not imploding when you hit the real world come July. < WTF? why was this edited? There needs to be a feature where comments become locked after a certain period of time to prevent censorship on a spreadsheetHeard that Denver was sending puppies to match day for each new resident for sloppy kisses, belly rubs, ear scritches, and tailwags. Is this true? I mean I guess you can't be forged in fire w/o the cuddle < Talk about warm and fuzzies. Thought this chat would be LIT today. But we've gotten at least one Grindr reference so I'm happy < i'd rub dat belly tho < cant wait to see what new Grindr hotties show up 12 ft from me at orientation. Can’t wait for all the all the DL gays.< amen, brah
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Why do programs get to find out a day before we do?no clue < maybe administrative stuff< they need a whole day to make the 8.5x11 print out with our stretched/squished faces to make it fit on the page < Seriously does no one know how to properly crop photos
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I'm going deep tomorrow > Deep down your rank list?>>deep deep deep deep deep >> Back back back back back back
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remember to change your fake ass facebook names back to your real name so that your co-interns can find you tomorrowDrunk and happy! Here we go y'all! Final countdown!!! < I know a lot of people that have already typed up a list and are waiting until Friday/Saturday before posting it. < y tho? GOOD LUCK TOMORROW EVERYONE OF YOU! CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MY CO INTERNS!Good luck tomorrow my lovelies < YOU TOOO
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How viable is doing an EM fellowship after a FM residency for working in an Emergency department. Asking for a friend. < are EM fellowships a thing? Seems strange considering theres a residency for it < Yeah, heard a lot of FM docs that didn't match go for it. > I heard the EM fellowship is not accredited > But they're still able to get jobs in a lot of places in the southeast and Midwest < theres a big push for most places to only have EM BC/BE docs in their ED. which unfortunatley you wont be with an EM fellowship. it helps make you more comfortable working in rural ED's..but won't lead to working at a level 1 or even level 3 trauma center in a large city.
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Do we know how competitve EM was this year? Felt super competitive but the increased in unfilled spots makes me think otherwise. <-- Could be the case of "people hear it's more competitive, people interview at more places, residencies rank the same number of people, but fewer total unique interviews." Given how few spots went unfilled (and we're not sure how many are "truly unfilled") it's hard to say until we see the numbers of people who only applied EM, people who applied as back-up, and people who dual-applied. In addition to MD senior, MD grad, DO, IMG, and other applicant information < same question<13 unfilled, of which most might actually be military, etc., isn't what I'd call a significant number of unfilled spots at all. Since there are ~2300 total, I'd think it fair to say there were pretty much zero unfilled spots < a lot of unfilled military is still a lot. How did it go from 0 unfilled total last year to 13 this year? Military is competitive, and I know someone that was doing EM through military match that didn't get it. < only 2 were military.
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ACGME Match List tab is live! Put down your real name next to your new home so that your future co-residents can find you, and so that you can congratulate the people you befriended along the campaign trail this fall. Good luck, everyone!< omg omg omg < +1, I kinda love it. good work surely < Thanks!! < You're a rock star, surely! I hope we're co-interns! < I love the idea!!< surely, can you lock the first row so that it shows up as you scroll down < Smart! Done. < thanks bae< This will be a good thing just to see what "SDN people" are like IRL.
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For those that didn't match, someone mentioned on SDN that there is a new EM residency opening up in Cali, still pending accreditation but once they have received initial or pre accreditation they will be taking applicants for this year- to start July 2018. It's St. Joseph's medical center in Stockton, Ca. < You mean July 2019? Or are they taking applicants outside the Match? < if they get accredited they'll take applications for residents to start in July. On that note, if you SOAP into a prelim spot and apply to this residency and get accepted what is the consequence? Can you bail on the prelim spot and go to the EM residency? << I don't think so. Like the main match, SOAP match is also a binding contract. Once you accept, youll have to call the program and convince them to release you. Thats a hell of a gamble to give up your SOAP spot for. The website doesn't say they will for sure start it. Only that its pending accredidation. <UCF Ocala Did this last year <--- anyone follow up with the Stockton CA program?----> Anesthesia has a lot of interest since it's the highest paying field of the "less competitive" specialties. People realized that SDN was just overly negative like they always are and decided to go into it.>>>>>>>To answer your question, I chose it because it was the first offer I got, and I couldnt run the risk of not matching again vs. sticking it through with anesthesia. Its a CATEGORICAL spot. I already have 3 SLOEs plus two months off in the summer, one of which I am going to use to replace the lukewarm one that may have done me in this cycle. Its a binding contract only for 45 days, and I intend to atleast finish out the year until I match EM in 2019. Its not as if I am flaking out on them. Yeah, the hard part is talking with the PD and getting a letter supporting my release, but who knows, if I like anesthesia, I might stay. They do work 50 hours a week instead of 40, but theyre home on the weekends and much less circadian shift. Pay is relatively the same it seems like on an hourly basis, maybe a little less for anesthesia.> Anesthesia is definitely a good field, though the practice is different from EM, pay is similar, hours are good maybe even better than EM. Hopefully it all works out for ya! < i would say hours are 'less' than anesthesia, but they are all over the place. Choose anesthesia or EM, whatever you enjoy doing.<----About the 45 days, dont mention anything at that time, I brought it up in August, but give them enough time to get the letter ready. By the time I needed the letter I had only worked with 2 attendings, but their feedback was positive and the PD said it straight up, said he didnt know me very well given it was the beginning of the year, but that from all my feedback I was a hard worker and I was very upfront and honest about my switch/why I wanted to. Thats really important, you dont want to piss off the PD by trying to hide things. My interviewers said that the letter was very supportive. If you still want to apply you def can, you just should update your PS, and only send the good SLOEs. I didnt even have any SLOEs till November and I didnt do any away rotations bc I didnt expect to love EM as much as I did. I'm sure it will all work out, trust me when I matched I already knew what a huge mistake it was. I was really upset about wasting a year, but it ended up making me a better candidate, youll have a years experience over everyone. Also youll be expected to finish the year, unless you find an open PGY-1 position during the year, which I doubt you will. I was checking for vacancies every sigle day, still no PGY-1 spots. Plus it would be a lot harder for a program to lose an intern vs a PGY-2. <---- I agree. I wasnt going to tell the PD that. I wonder if the PD can tank my app out of spite though. <---The PD can, but I highly doubt he will. The letters going to be written in the first ~1months of you working there, only enough time to get 1-2 attendings feedback. If the PD says you suck, and your other evals are good, its going to look like the PD's doing it intentionally. They wont know you well enough to be able to comment on anything unless you do something really bad. It'll most likely be similar to what the feedback you got from your attendings and residents said. Also, when I asked, I spoke with the cheifs and told them indirectly that I was worried about how the PD didnt know me that well, doesnt have a lot of feedback, how this letter was going to make or break my app. They understood, and they were the ones who actually made sure it was done and submitted on time. Just make sure you're ALWAYS on time, positive, ready to work. Don't treat this like a prelim year, you're categorical and you have all the responsibilities of a categorical intern, even if you're reapplying to EM. And between the time I asked and the time it was due, I had a few more attendings give feedback to the program, and it was all positive. That reinforced that I was doing my job and not slacking. Also, the PD knows you SOAPed into this spot, its not going to be surprising that you want to do EM. Just say you thought you could do it given the similarities (both have procedures, etc) but that you still feel like EM is whats right for you. So I had to SOAP today and fortunately matched into Anesthesia. While I was relieved to have a job, I just felt so depressed man. Sure it beats IM/FM, but part of me wishes that I did a prelim so I could apply into EM next year. I dont want to SOAP again, but EM is what I want to do. Any advice?> it's binding man, there's too much risk involved in asking Anesthesia to release you. Only thing would be to do EM after anesthesia but that sounds unfeasible tbh. Glad you matched into something though man. >> Why did you go after Anesthesia if you knew you were going to be unhappy? Prelim spots and transitional years are open too < it's all good man. I bet it works out even better for you being in anesthesia. such a chiller specialty, you'll be making bank and not stressing at all. < so apparently since anesthesia has a prelim year, you can ask the NRMP for a waiver (automatically granted) to change specialties and you can just reapply to EM next year. The tricky part will be that you will have no SLOE's most likely and no away rotations. Soooo you'll have to schedule an EM rotation if your hospital has it during your prelim year and hopefully you can impress enough to get a LOR. It's tricky but you may be able to do it man. <----I actually matched into a different specialty and realized I wanted to do EM AFTER I matched into a CATEGORICAL position, when I started I had an honest convo with the PD and told him I wanted EM, he released me from the program for the upcoming 2018 year, and I matched into EM this cycle. It def can be done, you just have to talk to the PD, and if you want to change specialties, they cant stop you from doing that. No PD will force you to continue in a specialty you dont want to be in. Across the board its generally accepted, if EM is really what you want, you can reapply, just make sure the PD is ok with it before you start your ERAS app bc you'll have to submit a letter from the PD saying they release you from the program and support you etc. And your stuff is actually saved in ERAS (LOR). I would just get an updated Deans letter. The only risk is if you dont match again, but my program prob would have let me stay if I didn't match, just make sure you're a hard worker. <---- to this previous anesthesia intern, do you have any other advice for me? It seems like I am going to be doing exactly what you did.
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So are we gonna have a tab with all the programs for us to fill in once we match so we can meet our new teammates?yes please do this. < +2< we can probably just make a sheet with program names vertically and have people fill their names in horizontally< Don't worry, I have a sheet ready to go! I'll deploy it before Friday. -@surely < you're awesome < asseater, pls make yourself known on that spreadsheet so that I can see if we end up at the same program
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Curious if most of the programs in SOAP are AOA/former-AOA< +3
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I wonder how EMapplicant_18 did, and if ass-eater ended up okay < and don’t forget about ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )< ass eater here. gym and taking a break from this sheet have been great for my health. I matched. will keep you all updated where! stay ass eatin'! <lol < Congratulations!<You're not the only ass eater here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) < this is presumptuous but the homophilia continues! < How is ass eating homophilia? Asses and mouths are found on all sexes and genders < for the dudes out there, if you haven't had a girl eat your ass you haven't lived a day in your life < doesnt have to be a girl, either bros. its only gay if u make eye contact. < Why stop at a tongue? Just get her to peg you.<samesies ;) ""You're not the only ass eater here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)""
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Anyone else think it's BS we don't find out the programs that had to SOAP to fill their spots? A program could flaunt their match ranks and success when they could actually be soaping for their last couple spots every year. < Unless it's a shitty former AOA program in the middle of bumblefuck, they probably filled. https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/7yiw95/browse_matchsoap_stats_from_past_years/?utm_term=1a2ff2b6-1b7e-4f0f-9dec-7a9949acb000&utm_medium=search&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=medicalschool&utm_content=1 You can use this to see unfilled spots from years past. It's mostly combined EM-International or EM-somethingelse tracks.blol bumblefuck
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Remember that the 13 unmatched EM spots can include the international spots that some programs have, for example GW has 2 and Emory has 2. <Also, any unmatched military spots are also included in the final unmatched report.n
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All this crying about "interview hoarding" reminds me of a team crying about their opponent running the score up on them. Stop them from doing it. i.e. have a better application. < Yet most coaches and players, both on the college level and professional, agree that running up the score is a shitty and classless thing to do. < It may remind you of that but it is really a poor comparison< Seriously. The sense of entitlement in here is insane. < Just hoping they don't try to limit the number of interview invites you can accept in the future, which I'm sure is inevitable. << OP here with the 8 ranks, I'm not saying I "deserve" to match. It is what it is. I knew the statistics. But there are 4 programs I applied to on the SOAP, 2 that I had a genuine interest. I interviewed at a different program like 1 hour away and tried to tell them I'd be available for any last min cancelations in January. This same program is on a rank list for someone with 18 interviews, ranked this program low, and they went even though they knew it would be ranked low. So yeah, excuse me for being a little bitter. I'm sure this isnt the case for everyone, but you're not in my position and telling people they didn't deserve to match because they aren't on your level makes you the one with the sense of entitlement. < On the other hand, a program whose interview I almost cancelled blew me away and is now my #4. You just don't always know. I did cancel a ton of interviews at desirable programs that I just couldn't see myself going to, but I'm certainly glad I kept that particular interview. It's a very tough balance. No one wants anyone else to have to SOAP, obviously, but there just aren't enough spots all around. At the end of the day, if the EM spots in the SOAP go to 260/260 AOA Ortho applicants, the blame lies solely on the program leadership for preferring that kind of applicant over the ride-or-die EM applicant with the less shiny application.<people claiming 13 unfilled spots is proof of hoarding? Seriously; out of ~2500 total?? Talk about delusion< I ended up ranking my "safety no name program" #2 so Im happy I went to all my interviews (16)< lol damn, where were all you fuckers earlier in the season? I had no back-up, got torn to pieces trying to defend my multiple interviews, but now that everyone is matched up, suddenly it's all gucci. fuck yall, never had my back when it mattered mother fuckers < Bull shit, I repeatedly pointed out the bad math. Don't make your allies into enemies. <The argument was usually about preventing people from going on interviews at places they may have had a chance at, NOT about preventing people from matching. It's only now that there are more unfilled spots than usual that the not matching argument came up. It's amazing how defensive you guys are. Most people are just asking others not to be selfish. It's fine to ignore them and be greedy, but stop denying that interview hoarding is a problem. < People only care about themselves. They'll go on 20 interviews and their last 10 ranks could have been people's #1, think thats why people get upset about hoarding. The thing is that the people that usually get all those offers could probably go on LESS interviews and still match since they're more competitive. I got a 260 on Step 1 and only went on 7 interviews and still matched. It's the average/below average applicants that need more interviews, but neurotics gonna neurotic. <-- 239 on S1 and still SOAPing with 15 ranks. Just my luck.
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For those that say interview hoarding do not cause anyone to lose spots, yes it does. yeah a single person wouldnt, but you multiple that by an X amount then the interviews do not trickle down. I did not match with 8 ranks, and 4 programs participating in the SOAP I had previously applied to. Two I called in January and they said they were booked full. Hoping for the best in the SOAP but sad to think I wouldnt be in this position if any one of those 4 had interviewed me. < Even if hoarders dropped their invites and you succeeded in matching, doesn't that just mean one less SOAP spot today and therefore someone else won't match? Net is still the same number of people who will match. < Yes,but those SOAP spots may not go to OP, or any of the EM people we know & love. They may all go to ortho bros that failed to match ortho or nsg or IR or whatever.< This < I'm going to be the asshole and say that are multiple opportunities to prove your worth and get those interviews. Step 1. Step 2. GHHS. Research. Leadership. Away rotations. Don't blame your failure on the success of others. < I typed 'this' above. I actually matched. All I'm trying to say is this could have been a lot easier for those who didn't if AOA 260s 270s person didn't go on 24 interviews who will match at their 1 or 2. Just like OP said, all he/she needed was 1 one of those 4 SOAP programs to have 1 more invite (maybe person above 22nd rank) and they would have matched < alternatively, maybe this person could have studied smarter for Step 1 or Step 2, or performed better during their away rotation, or gotten involved in national EM leadership, or put some time into some EM research, or prepped better for the interviews they did get... etc etc... instead of relying on others to let the wealth trickle down. Sure, if "interview hoarders" gave up more interviews, then MAYBE this person would've gotten one. But there were so many more avenues within his locus of control to influence, it seems petulent to whine about "hoarders." <<< AGREED. People who blame hoarders don't understand math. <As someone who went on 16 interviews as a "top" candidate, I kept most of my interviews because I was genuinely interested in checking out all of the programs. I worked hard for this opportunity, and don't feel like I need to apologize for going on more interviews that necessary. Sure, I probably would have matched with half of my interviews, but I'm not going to skip out on the opportunity to interview with a good program if I'm actually considering the program. If that means you don't match, that's your problem. <Look, all people are saying is don't be selfish. you don't seem to be capable of that and that's ok, but don't deny that it's an issue. Just admit you're selfish and don't give a shit about your peers and move on, instead of getting defensive. <-I feel like after that person got 9-10 invites, he probably shouldn't have went to the interview unless it'd be a place they'd seriously want to put in their top 5. "Considering" a program that you aren't super interested in when other people would love that program as a #1-3 is greedy, but you're right, you don't HAVE to be considerate/generous. < Cutting off at 9-10 is silly, 12 is the magic number. <OP, before the interviews I had considered all 16 as viable options for my top 5 spots <So you had 16 high powered programs that gave you interviews that you knew you wanted to go to? Good for you. I think people are mad at people that take interviews at places they have no interest in simply because they had a friend in that area or it was a "vacation". It's within their right to take those interviews, but it's also selfish/wasteful. Another reason why "hoarders" are not worth worrying about: There were about 2300 spots in this match. On average, programs interview 8-10 people per spot. That means there were somewhere on the order of 21,000 interviews conducted this season. There are reportedly 10 spots in the SOAP (NRMP says 13, but that's been inaccurate in the past; last year, it said 6 but there were 0; might include military spots or Saudi spots that somehow didn't fill), so there were maybe 100 interviews conducted for those 10 spots. Let's say those 100 interviews represent 100 distinct applicants who took "one extra interview" than they should have. That's 100 out of 3000 applicants. That's 3.3% of the EM applicant pool, AT MOST, who could be blamed for those 10 spots in the SOAP, and quite likely more like 1% (assuming that the truly intense hoarders took "3 extra interviews.") So if nothing else, any argument about hoarding is directed at an extremely tiny percentage of the EM applicant pool, and you're never going to get 100% of applicants to behave the way you want. A 1-3% problem is barely a problem at all. AND, even if hoarding were the problem, those 10 spots would have gone to AT BEST 10 applicants out of 3000 who applied, so this "problem" only actually affects 0.3% of the applicant pool. So why are we discussing it to death? <AGREED. LOVE THIS. AMAZING!>> It's an interesting philosophical discussion...if there were less wasted interviews, would the rankings be changed a significant amount?
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anyone hear if medicine prelim -> EM comes with a three year total funding limit that is not the case with surgery prelim?< Your funding is based on your first program that leads to board eligibility. Prelim/TY spots do not count against your funding, in any specialty. If you do one year of a categorical (3+ year program) then that counts against your funding.
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13 ranks and no match? no red flags that anybody has talked about? how does that happen, people? < Heard from a PD that he doesn't care if someone has a 250/260, if he doesn't like them he doesn't rank them. That or they may have only ranked "top tier" programs. < EM is 80% personality. I have low scores, great SLOEs had 20 invites, matched. Not saying that you have a bad personality, but scores arent everything in EM<< buddy had 250/260 scores and didn't get many IV, he's not an ass or anything, actually realy nice, but he's a litte weird. think it reflected on his sloe< the worst part is everyone else facebook posting their match letters < No, the worst part is definitely not having a residency lined up next year. I'm sorry you're going through this but now's not the time to try to take away from others' joy. You know we're all pulling for you! << worst part would be finding out none of your co-interns are fellow ass eaters and resigning yourself to eating your own ass for the nest 3-4y... total nightmare<Same boat, man. I'm 230s/250s with no red flags, had plenty of interviews, disadvantaged applicant, did well on aways at top programs. No match. I'm shocked and so terrified.< That may be why. Top programs give out a LOT of lower/bottom SLOEs even if you did really well, simply because your performance or stats aren't in line with who they rank at the top of their lists. My advisor said that one "elite" program gives about 50% of rotators a lower 1/3 or bottom 1/3 SLOE, even if their numerical grade is good. < But even if they got a low rank at an elite progam, the written comments might have been good and said "he'd make a great EM doctor, just not here". Only thing I can think about is maybe they only did interviews at top programs and they all ranked them at the bottom of their lists.<Yeah, could be. I assumed I messed up my interviews bc I got them, but... I don't know how I messed up that many of them. I'm not THAT awkward. It could be a crap SLOE though, I don't know. Either way, hoping for one of the EM spots or a prelim year, fingers crossed! < You wouldn't have gotten the interview in the first place if your SLOE was crap. Did anyone practice with you on interviews and give you honest feedback? Even if you were super weird/annoying most people will say to your face "we enjoyed having you". <Yeah, I got one practice interview at my school. I would think that if I was so weird/annoying that I couldn't keep it together for one day, it would have shown up in a SLOE or rotation grade though? I'm just mad bc my home program literally said "you'll always have a home here if you want to come here". I know a verbal commitment doesn't really mean anything, but it sucks to be blindsided.
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Anyone get contact from soap em programs? one categorical im, otherwise silence 45 em/anes/im apps < I'd take the IM. Something tells me the anes/em programs are going to try to match the NSG/Derm/Ortho people that didn't match Yeah I'm going to take whatever I can get but this fucking sucks. Great away grade at smaller program, still soap<-- how hard is it to match EM from a categorical spot? < Probably depends on how strong your app is and what program/categorical you're coming from. < Programs rarely match candidate from another speciality categorical position due to funding. If you match into IM-Cat position and try next year to match into EM that means you have use 1 of 3 years of funding, exception is for Prelim position.
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FUCK ARROWHEAD < What's this about?? < +5? < Is Arrowhead in the SOAP? Did you interview there, rank them, and they didn't rank you and are now in the SOAP? Did anti-HCA guy win his battle and successfully smear campaign them to the point where they went unfilled?<There were no unmatched West coast programs though < Did they offer a spot to someone outside the match?<<Still very curious to hear about this as I ranked them/could end up there, I did find it quite odd that they seem to have a new PD but never mentioned the old PD was stepping down. < +1 for interest (have them ranked)Can we see on Friday which programs went unmatched? < No, since those spots will be taken up by then. <-- so we'll never know which programs went unfilled? < We'll know, it ends up published somewhere in some NRMP report. Source: Someone made a compilation website on reddit, discussed here: https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/7yiw95/browse_matchsoap_stats_from_past_years/?utm_term=1a2ff2b6-1b7e-4f0f-9dec-7a9949acb000&utm_medium=search&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=medicalschool&utm_content=1It's ok, you didn't want to go to arrowhead. Even if you didn't match, you really dodged a bullet. They don't produce safe EM attendings. <<Why do you say that??
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15 ranks, 230s/230s, SOAPing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/7yiw95/browse_matchsoap_stats_from_past_years/?utm_term=1a2ff2b6-1b7e-4f0f-9dec-7a9949acb000&utm_medium=search&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=medicalschool&utm_content=1 You can use this to see unfilled spots from years past. It's mostly combined EM-International or EM-somethingelse tracks.		<- Is it possible they/you, tanked during your IVs? We had [n=1] great on paper but social skills sucked<-- that is me. Definitely didnt tank during my IVs, got great feedback as well, saying I was personable and a good conversationalist. Even my advisors are pretty shocked by the outcome. < What is your plan for SOAP? < How did you not match then? Most non-elite programs go to about the middle of their rank list, so at least wherever you did your away(s) should have taken you. Here's to hoping you are one of the 13 <-- thanks. < prelim IM/Surg/Categorical IM/anesthesia. << I think theres 8 spots, not 13. Theres 10 open spots but two are military. And the report thats on NRMP isnt accurate and the numbers are different from the SOAP view.
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FMG with 9 ranks, matched!!!!!!! < So happy for you!!! < =) thanks!!! < IMG MATCHED <-- where did u interview? < I'll post my list next weekMatched with not good SLOEs was too Afraid before match to post my stuff but will fill it out now that I done did it!!!! < Not good as in not top 1/3rd or not good as in all lower/bottom SLOEs? At least 1 bottom third, possibly 2^^Any idea why your home program didn't take you, especially since your advisors are shocked? < +3 < Yeah, they could have just ranked you top 10% so you'd know for sure you'd match. <-- I imagine they did not expect that I would have to SOAP. was in the middle third, they filled higher up.< was in the middle third, they filled higher up. <Still, I'd feel betrayed by my home program <-- part of me does. < Man, that sucks. Our school's EM program isn't the best but they usually rank our students no lower than top 1/3rd so they're almost guarenteed a spot. Only thing I can think of is that they may have ended up putting you on the lower side of that middle 1/3rd unless your home program is in Cali.
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Any unmatched mind sharing where the open spots are?< this is a match violation: http://www.nrmp.org/faq-questions/am-i-allowed-to-share-the-list-of-unfilled-programs-in-the-secure-r3-system/ < Maybe someone can do the "warrant canary" thing and post the programs that DON'T have open slots?<what's the reasoning behind this? those who matched don't need to know this but there's also nothing we can do with this informationwow still waiting on rank lists. really excited to see that one guy who was really taking his time to write up a tome for each residency!!! hahaha fucking fool
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Good luck, comrades! Extra special shout-out to the underdogs out there. If you matched with fewer than 10 ranks, lemme hear ya screeeaaammmmmjesus h. christ this is torture << indeed!!!! << HOLY SHIT AHHHH. who ever thought of this 11am time needs to be fired.Matched matched baby
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13 unfilled EM spots according to regional data <whoa, that's actually a lot. There's usually none right? < none last year, six the year before I think?<Maybe it was a down year this year?<hello it’s because of the merger < So? Wouldn't they have gotten filled by DOs previously? 13 unfilled EM spots according to regional data <whoa, that's actually a lot. There's usually none right? < none last year, six the year before I think?<Maybe it was a down year this year?<hello it’s because of the merger < So? Wouldn't they have gotten filled by DOs previously? >> And I feel like most of the DO programs still interviewed a bunch of DO applicants who all were participating in the NRMP match, so I don't think its merger related?where is the regional data? < in NRMP click on your name then reports 0 west coast, 2 South, 5 central, 6 northeast < dang 0 west coast hope I snuck in thereShow us the dataaaa <+2 < Look it up your damn self. Go log onto the NRMP website, click "Reports" and you'll see it.
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@surely MATCHED! <woop! < She'll make a great doc. < Awww, thanks!!! I just want to work hard so my dog can have a better life.
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8 ranks and still matched! suck it, statistics! < +1 YEAH BOI, same here < 4 ranks with a match!! < GOOD WORKKKK!< 9 ranks and matched! < 5 ranks, IMG, under 5'7 - matched. statistics be damned. < Who said manlets can't succeed? < IMG 7 Ranked and MATCHED!! <-- to the IMGs, did yall do prelim year?< 9 ranks and did not match. Ugh. so fucking stressed <good luck < Really sorry to hear that. Hope things work out okay for you. < I had 14 ranks and did not match. Talk about bad luck. 13 spots GL on soap, 480 gen surg< Most of those are Prelim spots.
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Any reapplicants match this year? I met a couple of second-timers on the trail, and all of them seemed normal and likable. Hope things turned out well!< Yes MATCHED +2
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Does anyone know which programs had unfilled positions? +4Anyone soaping mind posting which EM programs had unfilled spots << uh, isn't that a match violation? <How is it a match violation? <it isn't a match violation < it is a match violation, dum dums. < Programs don't want people to know they didn't fill in the regular match, otherwise people would be trying to figure out which one of the residents had to SOAP.< Would they be able to figure out who posted it though? < Yes, the NRMP people would probably contact Google to request an IP address and track your ass down, not worth it. <Nope that won't happen < The NRMP can legally compel google to reveal people's info?
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Do we know how many total EM PGY-1 spots were in the Match this year? <2278 < Why the fuck is EM so damn competitive with so many spots?<wasn't there 1000 more applicants than spots? One could wax philosphical that there are too many medical schools in this country. And if you look at this stat, then there is. But then again there were plenty of unfilled fam med, internal med, gen surgery spots. So I guess not. < Yeah,, I read that EM use to have a 95% match rate, not this year.
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Failed CS Guy MATCHED < other failed CS guy also matched. Still don’t have my score, but fuck em < WAY TO GO, FRIENDS! < Also failed CS, took it late so didn't have it in before rank lists were due, matched anyway. < OUTSTANDING. Fuck CS.< yet another person who failed CS later passed but never submitted an updated transcript so programs didn't know and matched>failed CS too and matched! < me too, failed, never submitted! suckas.<congrats!
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Anybody else here apply a backup specialty and still have no idea if they matched EM?<no <+20 < harsh... < eeeerp
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VCU is missing from the ROL google doc dropdown. < Yeah, sorry, it's a huge huge pain to fix. Just write it in the comments. Thanks!
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im really starting to regret my decision to go into EM. bewteen the numerous trolls here, the rampant sexism and homophobia, the laziness espoused by so many, and most recently the embrace of drug abuse... i really had no idea what I was getting into< don’t let the door hit you on the way out... <--- probably the IM troll again. Didnt really see any homophobia though...<if you are changing your mind about the biggest decision of your life because of nonsensical anonymous chatter on a google doc between a bunch of fourth years who have made this a comical play place then you have MUCH bigger problems than going into EM. Grow a spine, if not for yourself for your patients. <--- Most of the people using this spreadsheet are SDNers, and we're probably the group most likely to be associated with the "high scores, low social skills" designation. < Don't let the trolls get to you, and don't bait the trolls either, and you'll find residency resembles this spreadsheet very little.<“drug abuse”? Experimenting in altered reality isn’t automatically “abuse”. You shouldn’t jump to conclusions, there are people smarter and more successful than you will ever be who partake in these things. Don’t just automatically subscribe to what mainstream society feeds you, sheep > I don't partake in recreational drug use (quite frankly because I'm scared I'll go batshit crazy), but I don't see anything wrong with it as long as you know your limits. Shame on peeps thinking they are all sactimonious and shit. If you guys with a stick up your asses end up being my coresidents, it's gonna be a long ass 3-4 years. >+5 > < Agree with the lack of homophobia on here. Definitely saw a lot of Grindr encouragement which is always apprechiated <-- yep, so technically theres some homophilia... we are more accepting of our gay friends than some of the conservative specialties. < yaaaaaaaaaaaaas kweens! - a gay EM applicant. <-- i got your back, bro. Good luck tomorrow. < Gay here and concur on the homphilia. IDK what you are smoking but I didnt see no homophobia. < whats up, brah u single? < LMAO not single. Loving the gays presence in EM < s'all good. i'm not single either but the hubby and enjoy a little +1 / +2 action every now and then. < that sounds fun. Good for you guys. We are closed and will likely remain that way. But it be nice to meet other gay EM residents< Well, I'm trisexual. I'll try anything sexual.<lmao
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So do we all find out at 11 EST exactly?<-- Yes<Mine Came at 10:59
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Who's ready to see if they match tomorrow? I thought this chat would be littttttt< I know I'm going to match, just want to know where.
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who deleting stuff<me <I went and protected the chat history, blocking it from being edited. But let's try not to act like goblins here. <-- tell that to the feminazi that just went on a tirade and deleted 2 days worth of stuff < you must be a deeply unhappy person <-- I am deeply unhappy that someone is deleting other peoples post because theyre on their high horse. < probably someone who ranked LAC highly. bunch of high horse SJWs<<< hahaha +1
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I Just wanted to thank all of you guys/gals for the most interesting discussions that helped make this application year easier! Topics such as the ones listed below. Add your own for nostalgia!
1. 3 vs. 4 year arguments
2. Being forged in fire (LEGENDARYYYYY)
3. HCA drama
4. How many interviews were too many
5. #BIGDICKNICK
6. Video game conversations
7. County Bois vs. Academic Bois vs. Community Bois. 8. asseater's shenanigans
9. Fake hookup stories.
10. Feminazi vs Misogynist vs. patriarchy.
11. Interview hoarding shaming / defending
12. LAC vs Denver vs Cincy vs Indy
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I passed motherfucking step 2 CS today. No programs asked me for it before rank lists were due so nobody knew I failed...I'm experiencing a world of relief right now < NICE WORK! As a 3rd year I have to ask, why do you think you failed the first time?<<congrats! let us know how match goes< I also failed the first time. I don’t find out my score until the end of April... The wait may kill me. < OP here. I failed because I assumed I would pass w/out any prep. Didn't do a closing "wrap-up" with any patient. Failed interpersonal skills. << I would still be extremely paranoid that places would assume you failed if they didn't have a score from you, and wouldn't bother to ask for one. Or they'd rank someone with a passing score above someone with no score at all. Congratulations on passing, though, and report back Monday to tell me how unfounded my vicarious anxiety is! < A place that would fail me for not having a score would still fail me for having a failed score. My home program (highly regarded) states they essentially rank right after interview days without ever redownloading apps < I agree with your statement that they would have failed you either way. You seemed to be certain that you'd gotten away with it without anyone noticing ("nobody knew I failed").Anyone debating walking during graduation? I feel that its a pain in the ass to fly back to graduate. I'll be moving in late april and our graduation is in June. Flying back to another state and getting a hotel and other costs add up to like 500-600 bucks. <I would but school says it's mandatory
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HELP @surely or whoever does rank list stuff. For some reason two of my programs I'm ranking isn't on your dropdown list. Wright State (Dayton, OH) and Greenville, SC. Let me know when it's fixed and I'll submit my very different and average rank list that I totally love lol.< Just put the program name in the comments/pros/cons section and leave the program name blank <Thanks!< but only 10 spots??? how filling to 60??
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Calling shenanigans on UCLA-OV post-interview survey they just sent "You were a very highly ranked candidate for our program" DON'T PLAY WITH MY HEART THIS WAY <got it too. they full of shit.< I would expect it’s everyone they “ranked to match,” plus some wiggle room. Maybe their top 50? < it was just a post-interview survey, doesn't make sense to personalize it. Everyone who I knew interviewed there got it, and I didn't get any post-interview communication except for this survey < you didn't get the PD email about a week before rank lists? did any of the people you know who also interviewed get it? < Nope <-- got it as well and I didnt even get an interview there. < Just goes to show, PDs are fucking snakes. Do not trust anything they say. You're not "ranked to match." You're probably not even going to match at all. Submit to the solipsism <--- nearly everyone is ranked to match... its a carefully worded phrase that tells you you are on their match list, but not how low or high on the list you are. < do you feel your pedantry impacts your daily life at all? <hahahaha <-- nah. thanks for asking though.
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^did anyone not get this? < I think everyone got it <This makes me sad, I ranked them #1 and was ecstatic when I got the email ^what did the email say?VV Hey my Grindr adventures are real!! :(.
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Serious question. For those (like me) without the usual 10-12+ interviews. What are your fall back plans for SOAP if it comes down to it? <--- prelim IM or Surg at a place with an EM residency. Then work like hell to match there. EM or Die homie.<<< <<<< Sorry at some of us don't wanna settle for soul sucking residencies such as family medicine or IM.wow this thread is dying out..... < THANK GOD, THIS IS A HELLHOLE <-- then why do you keep coming back? Unless of course, you like this hellhole?
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^^ Only 8 ranks here.... I'm so scared. Hold me D: < nah yall matched, it's all good, trust in god all things are possible < Only 6 for me. Just hoping for a yes<--- LOL, God... Praise be to Cthulu. << I'll praise motherfuckin Lucifer himself. I just want to match :( <--- Praise be to Xenu!!^ hahaha oh yeah man, love this sports guy such a manly man, such awesome athleticism, has a huge dick! but how big really? how are we to know? Would love to see proof! nothing homoerotic about this at all! BIGDICKNICK, PATRIARCHY! < The term "tangential" comes to mind <<<https://deadspin.com/allegedly-enormous-donged-eagles-qb-leads-team-to-super-1822718664
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Controversial opinion: EM is essentially FM but with more critical care and procedural exposure, and the ED is just a "to-go" style FM clinic with a broader range of pathology and acuity. Change my mind. <--- much much more pay. better lifestyle and stories, not as much bullshit or noncompliant patients. Bitches and the media love EM docs, not so much FM docs. Technically, surgery is like FM too, but with more critical care and procedural exposure..... < you should go do FM then. #ByeFelicia < yeah, this isn't really that controversial. "This specialty is really just this other specialty but with [lists reasons that differentiate specialties]!!!" yeah no shit dum dum.< I mean... I don't think your opinion is that controversial but your words minimize the difference. Like saying EM is FM but "to-go" completely skims over that the whole point of FM is building long term longitudinal relationships with patients that you partner with in order to treat chronic conditions whearas EM is all about acutely stabilizing critical issues of any sort with no longitudinal follow-up. The main comonality between EM and FM is that they are the broadest specialites... but you ran with that a bit far IMO.< I wonder if this is the IM guy trying to troll us again... <--- what else can they do besides troll people that chose a better field in medicine? EM >>>> IM
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On ortho rotation today:
Resident: his femur is shattered. Here is a piece of his femoral condyle.

Attending: We are going to have to plan our approach and really shove it in there.

Me: Thats what she said.

Attending stares me down.

Fellow: Well done haha.

^^^Fucking sexist pig.<<<-- go back to your cave, feminazi. ++10 << for real that was a great joke haha, well done sir<--some people are WAY too sensitive <-- I really hope I dont end up in a residency with these overly sensitive people/feminazi's because these jokes form the bulk of my humor. Moreoever, its a joke, not a dick.Try not to take it so hard. <<<awesome joke dude/dudette... seriously no one in EM wants the person who got all butthurt (pun intended)... god I seriously do not like the PC crowd, doesn't mean I'm a trump supporter but you wonder why a prick wins? it's bc it's refreshing to hear someone who doesn't feel the need to tiptoe around any 'trigger' phrase that might hurt your feelings. << lol tbh it is far more likely to be someone pretending to be a straw feminist

< I know girls/women who would laugh at that joke < brilliant. that's the equivalent of "I have a black friend, so it's cool for me to use the n-word." the ignorance, sexism, and patriarchy on this sheet is incredibly problematic <--- LMAO THEY ARE NOT AT ALL EQUIVALENT. Saying 'thats what she said' is comparable to a racial derogatory slur used to belittle an entire race of people is laughable at best. As the OP, I know plenty of women who say 'thats what she said' and laughed at that joke. Take your feminazi attitude somewhere else, troll. If this thread is sexist, ignorant, and patriarchical, then you best believe this is an accurate representation of the future of EM and the 'real world'. Welcome to the real world, snowflake. < PATRIARCHY!!!!! << Best believe it. << yo feminazi... you're gonna hate your life if you match EM... just saying... that sorta humor runs deep and wide in this specialty... much like the giant patriarchal cocks that work the pits		< my biggest issue is that “that’s what she said” jokes haven’t been funny since 2012. I hope I don’t match with this guy, not because his jokes aren’t PC, but because he’ll have no original content. It’s like someone still quoting Anchorman or Borat. Was hilarious at one time but update your references bro. < for real, not to mention he's getting so easily trolled and butthurt, like damn dude. your sense of humor is juvenile and you're more sensitive than the feminist troll, yowzah!

^^^^ oh right, and you speak for everyone in the world right? Just because you dont find it funny, everyone else must agree with your viewpoint? GTFOH. Im definitely not getting butthurt since I made the original comment. Perhaps you're seeing it that way as some sort of rationalization to make it fit in your PC world. I hope I dont match with feminazi's and super PC people either. They just suck the life out of you. <--- Aint that the truth haha. < take a deep breath, read all of this shit you've posted and maybe take a break from the sheet... you're letting an obvious troll work you up bro <-- I'm actually typing this in between my Overwatch games. I get more worked up over that than this. But its all good. The joke was funny, feminazi's are dumb. Life goes on < Thats what she said jokes are still funny when well-executed. <--especially when you say it to an attending as a medical student. Bravo, OP!		<I still quote Anchorman... < and I still quote borat <--- Looks like she didnt read the room hahahah. < hilarious!................................................... NOT <--- This suit is black not.< Dude... like 80% of the reason of why I went into EM is the irreverent humor. I hope my residency is chill hillarious EM people and not thought policing SJWs... <--- PREACH!! <+90001 << amen brother << I'm a gun toting, liberal hating, patriotic american
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Anyone know how early after match we will have to drug test? Asking for a friend...<+1 <+3. Lmao I can't < 420 BLAZE IT YA BISH. < weed is for pussies. just smh if you're not ripping fat lines or micro-dosing LSD, fucking scrubs.<--- microdosing? Pussy. Just smoke a Jeffrey. <-- One PD explicitly told us to stay clean 30 days before starting (almost sure it was UMass but please chime in to confirm what I remember of the interview season blur)! So probably find out in your contract soon after match if they test and plan your 30 day weed fast accordingly. I’d much rather match with you guys than with the CrossFit psychos and the super sensitive divas <+1<-- YMMV depending on the institution. Just do an oil change (Blue Mountain State reference)
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Post times and clean for crossfit 18.2<--- the fuck does this even mean? < some idiot troll baiting cross-fit haters < Not trolling. Just have no idea wtf 18.2 means..... 18.2 miles of running or 18.2 cleans done without proper form.. or 18 broken bones. Im just asking for some more info. < no, I'm saying the dude asking for times is troll-baiting. 18.2 is just a label for one of their dumb work-outs, it has no meaning beyond that.<-- ah I see, well 18.2 deez nutz, trollanyone know what the SOAP email monday's title is? I heard its something ominous, regardless of whether you match or not. Like "Your Residency Match" or something super vague. <"Did I match?" <How savage would that be if that was the title to the SOAP email? And then the body just starts with "No."
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^ Nothing here either. Only 5 interviews, so seriously crossing my fingers...<-- 17 interview invites, 14 interviews, no personal post IV communication. Got a generic one that everyone gets from one IV, but thats about it. < 31 invites, 12 IV, and 5x post IV comm. Before the hate spills, I ended up not liking 2x programs so I knew I was putting them last and 2x I really wanted were last minute openings off a waitlist else I would have cancelled 2x earlier ones. Was shooting for 8x initially. -> side note, there has to be a better system for this, since so many people get their top three I wonder why we can't do two rounds of IV? maybe you get 3x spots/IV Sept-Oct and then they do a round of matching to clear out the top applicants who know where they want to go and that way ther are no hoarders/people taking up spots who know where they wanna go and have good chance of matching there... Thoughts?< 17 !!???? HOARDER< they earned it. Don't hate! <--- sorry I shoudlve clarified. 17 interview invites. went on 14.<14???? you only need 12. I CANT believe people will hoard SO MANY interveiws. Give some to the rest of us like the guy who only had 5 <-- cant go back in time bruh. but nice try, troll. Plus the official number is 15, not 12 where you see diminishing returns.> No its like 10 with 95% chance match rate, and 12 where it falls off on the standardized curve. > I didnt get that many interviews, I wish I did but it didnt happen. i probably would have gone on 14+ too if given the opportunity. They put in the hardwork and their SLOE's are the main reason for it, so they earned their interviews. There are 3000+ applicants applying for ~2100 spots, everyone has to look after themselves and increase their chances of matching at the end of the day. <--- he's trolling you bro. Dont let it get to you. I went on 14 because I'm a 4th quartile applicant. If I was average, I wouldve gone on 12 and saved the extra 1,000 bucks.
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 the fucking audacity of UT-Austin to ask me to fill out a survey after rejecting me? Fuck you bruh. < got that email a few days ago as well, rejecting me? not filling that out lol <--- I emailed them back telling them how incredibly rude and offputting that email came off. < not all heroes wear capes < I had a big lol at that as well. If I remember correctly I got auto-rejected from them as well. <<damnnnn.. so here's a good story, a buddy of mine got rejected from denver early on and then got a secondary email saying "Dear xxxx By now we're sure you recieved our earlier email concerning your application (didn't want to say rejection lols) but upon further review we think you would be a good candidate (shit we got too picky lols) we would like to invite you down for an IV and think you'd be a good fit for our program" hahahaha... saw the email myselfAnybody else regretting a few of their rank orders? Thinking about it now, I would be pretty miserable living in #2 and wish I would have put it as 5 or 6 < how is everyone just thinking of these things now? I feel like it must just be your emotions/your brain playing tricks on you, because you knew the location of this program before you submitted the ROL. Unless some big life event happened to you in the past week i guess . < I think because my #2 is a much better program than my 3 or 4, but in a worse location. I guess I went with strength when deciding to put it there. Also, before certifying I was comparing programs against each other. Now, my mind will go entire days with the idea that I'm 'definitely going to end up at program X'. When given a full day or 2 to imagine my life at only 1 spot, it gives you a little more perspective. It's all good though, I'm not beating myself up about it < ok good, you shouldnt! It sounds like yout 1-4 are all good options for different reasons. Its hard to find one program that checks every box, and youre gonna have to make sacrifices wherever you end up. I hope you match at your #1 tho and this is all a moot point ;)<-- where is that Bravo sir. > ^^^thank you! 4th year has really instilled a IDGAF attitude in me
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So... anyone know when rank lists are due? <--- troll's not even trying anymore.... what is this middle school level shit. < They were due 2/21, you are super late. I would suggest going to your deans office and advisor immediately to plan for the soap <-- dont feed the troll, man <--- looks like hes going to be SOAP scrubbing...^^^ bruh, sometimes, your true priorities show up when you cant change anything. < immature little children. yall done did have like months to think your list over, come on now. <-- nah thug, the whole clinical training vs friends/family vs. location dilemma will always be an issue even after certifying.Now is such a special time. We will most likely match, but are yet to know where so it's not too real yet. This is the last bit of time before residency looming in front of us. It's a beautiful thing (though still dying waiting to know)<- Schrodingers computer algorithm? <-- exactly what I told someone the other day. At least in our perception of reality that's how it is. In the computer's we are matched! <-- so then we are both matched and not matched at any given point in time until March 12th
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Do we get officially certified for ACLS for most/all EM residencies?<most expect you to be certified when you show up <--- FALSE<-- no they dont. They will certiy you for ACLS, PALS, and ATLS during orientation. < +1 < not all, I've seen on some websites that they require it before starting I believe... <--- yeah? Name them. <Seriously, that doesnt make any sense at all when they can just schedule their whole incoming class during orientation. < I don't remember which ones, but I do remember coming across that when I was researching which programs to apply to. I don't remember because I'm already certified and so it didn't matter to me. Research your programs' websites.<--- Nah, Im good cuz. Im not dumb enough to waste my time doing that. < then why ask the question? or ask for evidence? <--- you have provided neither. Just saying, "oh there is this program but I dont remember which one" is akin to pulling information out of your ass. And to the poster who said "most expect you to be certified when you show up" is absolute bullshit too. < literally provided evidence over there —> <--- 1 program is not "most expect you to be certified when you show up." and you said "you dont remember which ones", stressing the plural, not singular. But it doesnt matter. Point is that most programs cover the cost. < admittedly, I wasn’t the person who said “most programs”, it’s super hard to know who is writing which comments. But there’s two examples now at least :P. Okay, on to the next controversy !< a very quick google search immediately found one program: University of Louisville... "All residents/fellows in U of L postgraduate training programs must have Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS) certification prior to beginning training in U of L medical and dental programs." [louisville.edu/medicine/gme/files/ACLS%20Policy.doc] ^^^ 1/240+ programs? Pretty douchy of them to require it. I aint paying for that shit. < was Louisville the program with the real bitchy and snarky coordinator? <-- the one that thought that their program was hot shit and not to send update letters and stuff? Yeah thats the one. <-----I'll bet that you get it during orientation, which is prior to starting training. < yeah, could be << Attention dum dums, not all programs will provide you ACLS, ATLS, etc training. DENVER HEALTH is one of those programs: http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/276e89_6e768a1b6e90434aa773f0ee01b4ec39.pdf (ctrl F "ACLS"). <-Thank you, asshole. I'm sure your program will let you know, after match. <<--- BUT YOU WILL GET FORGED IN FIYYAAA!!!
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Do grades on rotations matter at all at this point?<-- nope as long as you dont fail
< not if you match. if you don't (and don't soap successfully) it'lll matter if you want to apply in future cycles.		<--- no one will give a shit about your grades. All that truly matters is SLOEs and board scores. < SLOE >>>>> Board scores. I had board scores in the 200s/220s got 18 interview offers 1 phone call and 2 rank to match emails. Work your ass off for those SLOEs, kids^other programs require it too, this was just literally the first one I saw after a 15 second search. I didn’t even apply there, but I do know some of the programs I did also require it. Research your programs.
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^no offense, but how do you not know this? how would they matter? ^"Prior to beginning training" could mean during orientation prior to starting shifts <Exactly. No one is going to expect you to take care of that shit before orientation haha < oops you look pretty stupid now don't you < lol my bad, two places that I didn't apply to. I’ll survive, bruh.
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PSA: On Friday, March 9 you will receive an email from the NRMP that states you are eligible for “SOAP”. This does not mean that you did not match. So please – DO NOT PANIC. This merely confirms that you are registered for the Match and that you are eligible for the SOAP process in the event that you do not match.The email that you should be worried about comes out on the following Monday. <- to clarify, everyone gets an email, and that email says 'yay' or 'nay'<I need some fuckin SOAP, my dirty 4th yr ass hasn't been properly cleaned nor eaten in weeks <<lolz<Sounds like someone is lonely<< I am... and looking for a friend
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Can someone please explain to me on the Rank Spot page how there are 98 total #4 ranks, and 102 total #5 ranks? Shouldnt it be a descending tally? <rank spots tab only counts programs that are from the drop-down menu on the original submission form, ie write-ins are not tallied< I think the Rank Spot tab must be missing a program name (or have a program name misspelled compared to how it's labeled on the Rank Lists tab), and that program must appear in the 4th slot multiple times.<-- or some ppl forgot to put a #4 rank bruh.. < Nope, none of the ROLs are missing a #4. You can tell by highlighting any cell in that column and then pressing Ctrl+Down. It skips to the next blank cell... and there aren't any, except from the one person who only posted 3 programs.
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hit the gym yesterday for the first time in probably a year. started with phraks greyskull mod workout, very simple bare bones, could barely move the same amount of weight I used to. very sore. excited to hit it again. this also marks day 3 of a 2-week rotation that I am just straight up skipping. no phone calls or emails yet!<< hit the hub for the first time since IV season... dripping buckets for days and my left hand now has carpel tunnel
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They should really specify in those emails about SOAP that they are sending them to EVERYONE. I know I'm going to match, but even in my case your mind definitely freaks out briefly when you see an email about SOAP >> Yeah!!! I just got the one they sent out and literally i feel like im having PVCs when i see that initial email pop up.< Don't they know how neurotic we all are? If you really want to address physician wellness, make this whole process easier and stop sending out emails like that!< No SOAP email matters except the confirmation Friday 3/9 and the Match notification on Monday 3/12. So you can disregard any email that aren't those two