Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?

Now there is the trapeze with no net act I was looking for.

 

Misquote. Fake News. Trump said this:

“We had a lot of legislation pass. They were saying that if we got this one done, we would have succeeded with legislation. But I believe we have – and you’ll have to ask those folks, but I think they know the real answer… we have more legislation passed, including the record – was Harry Truman. That’s a long time ago. And we broke that record. So we have a lot done.”
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Where’s the lie? He said he believed it, and that you’d need to ask those folks. Believing something and asking you to check it, is not lying, which is why most of the media didn’t call it lying. He thought his 94 bills were the greatest number - it turned out it was Truman with his 126 bills. Whoopee do. Trump was 71.5 years old, and it was 2 days after Christmas day. Instead of shrieking “LIAR!” the Left should flay themselves with whips for being so desperate for something to whine about – and to keep whining about - like a broken diff. Pathetic!

Score so far:

ZERO.

 

Look .. Trump is correct in saying "fake news". The problem is Trump is only referring to the stuff that relates to him personally.

Trump has done ZERO - to point out the main issues in relation to our propaganda state media .. nor has he turned over the Obama legislation in 2013 which made it legal for our intelligence agencies to create and disseminate propaganda or US citizens. He has done nothing to stop the DOJ from going after Assange ... and so on.

Trump does not give a hoot about freedom of the press.. he only is concerned with stuff that relates to him.

 

Of course you do not provide a link because your quote is a different quote.

So you are saying that this quote "You know, one of the things that people don't understand -- we have signed more legislation than anybody -- we broke the record of Harry Truman," from CNN is a lie and CNN just made it up.

Here is the same exact quote from the white house briefing transcript.

THE PRESIDENT: "You know, one of the things that people don’t understand, we have signed more legislation than anybody — we broke the record of Harry Truman" https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-first-responders/

So are you going to now telling me that the whitehouse.gov is lying too ?

Give me a break .. it is you that is ZERO

 

I’ve had this allegation before, and the accuser provided me this New York Times article, so I will copy and paste my answer to him, here:

The headline at the top of the page screams:

“Trump Says He Didn’t Know Bannon Until Campaign, but They Met in 2011”

The article is by Linda Qiu. She obviously doesn’t understand the way Anglo Saxons use the word “know”. English may not be her first language. She thinks “know” means meeting someone and knowing “of” them. That’s not what Trump means in this case. When he said, “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve,” he means he didn’t “know” know him. As in know him well.

So, no lie.

Now, who is this ding-a-ling Linda Qiu?

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She’s a “fact checker” with the New York Times, and before that, a “fact checker” with Politifake.

Here’s a video of a guy fact checking the fact checker, Linda Qiu. The guy shows what a poor fact checker Ms Qiu is.

As for Politifact.com (or politifake as I call them), they are mostly funded by “Democracy Fund” created by eBay founder Pierre Morad Omidyar in 2011. Pierre Omidyar is a 51 year old French-American billionaire of Iranian parentage.

He owns a site called omidyar.com which, as you can see from their ‘who we are’ page, is involved in helping 3rd world people. To find an example of their left winged lean go to Google and type this in the search:

environmentalism site:omidyar.com

Or click here.

That will search their whole site for the word environmentalism and voila, you get this revealing pdf file.

Here are some excerpts (emphasis mine):

What is a movement?

A range of landmark social movements took place in the twentieth century, including the women’s suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, and the environmental movement, among others.

Of the most influential 21st-century social movements active today, some have been sparked by technological influence (e.g. Occupy, the Arab Spring, #BlackLivesMatter), while others represent an evolution of existing social movements (e.g. the expansion of the movement for climate action to include substantial online activity).

WHY SOCIAL MOVEMENTS MATTER

Social movements have tremendous potential to make impact by galvanizing and channeling collective power. For issues that affect many people, where many people might benefit from societal shifts, or where many people are showing signs of motivation and activity, movements can be powerful vehicles for changing concrete policies (e.g. raising the minimum wage), for changing cultural attitudes and perceptions (e.g. embracing same sex marriage), and also for changing individuals’ behavior at mass scale (e.g. adopting energy-saving practices).​

Politifake is devoted to making Trump look like a liar, and surprise surprise, it’s mostly funded by an Iranian/American lefty who supports all the Left winged extreme groups and ideologies. My – how unexpected! Sum Ting Wong, Ms Qiu?

 

Bad news sells, the media are very good at taking things out of context with Trump, Obama etc.. to sell stories. Keeps the journalists employed.

 

That was answered in post #113, as follows:

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That's a misquote. You may quote me if I said it.

 

Both yours and Rob's quotes are in your link?

 

To humor snowflakes who can’t follow instructions, if anyone posts a Gish Gallop from now on, I’ll answer the first two or three alleged lies on the list. So let’s go to your page and see what they have.

Oh my! A brobdingnagian Gish Gallop! Lefty logic tells us it’s so mountainous it can’t possibly be wrong! The two Trump haters that wrote it - one a student of math and his trusty sidekick, a graphic designer – must be real experts on Trump and politics. Gallop your huge gish over and envelope us in its gooey gishness! Gaaghh…

Their link takes us to a page that provides a non-working sound bite, and the statement: ‘In 2002, Donald Trump Said He Supported Invading Iraq. "Are you for invading Iraq?" Howard Stern asked him, and Trump answered, "Yeah, I guess so."’

The useless schmucks couldn’t supply the date of the Stern interview, a sound bite, or a decent quote. This YouTube provides most of the interview. The relevant part starts at about 1:39. Trump was talking about business and how 9/11 affected the market. Stern took Trump by surprise. The tone in Trump’s voice and his hesitation tells you a lot, when you listen. Here is the correct quote:

Howard Stern: Are you for invading Iraq?

Trump: Yeah, I guess…sooo… um, y’know, I wish it was, I wish the first time it was done correctly.​

In comments under the vid, ‘Gaming Palooza Empire’ says, “This recording was captured right after 9/11. Literally everyone supported retaliation without a thought.”

‘Naten Higgers’ replies, “Exactly! Plus, if everyone remembers, if you said anything going the other way, you were immediately labeled a traitor and shunned. You can CLEARLY hear the hesitation in his voice when asked. He was being polite.”

Joel Wayne says, ‘“I guess so...." that's not exactly what I call supporting the Iraq War. Do you really consider that a "yes"? How do you even justify claiming that he supported the war over this sound byte? Is there something I'm missing?? It was definitely a gotcha question. Trump is a business man, do you even realize what starting an argument with Howard Stern over this issue would've done to him back then? Hell, the Dixie Chicks lost their careers. America was thirsty for blood and in a mob-like state. It sounds like in his voice he wants to say a clear "no" but that would open up an entire can of worms. This was before an invasion seemed likely, you HAVE to put this in context of the times. As soon as this started to become a reality that a war actually might happen, Trump opposed invading Iraq, which was completely against the grain of the majority. If anything, you have to give him credit for that. Trump is actually probably the least flip-flopping candidate for President we've seen in decades. Despite how the media want to paint him, he's been pretty consistent with his views since the 80s. Compare this to Hillary who has changed her opinion on gay people and the war pretty drastically, not to mention trade deals and the hundreds of other issues she has changed her mind on. Hillary just goes where the flow takes her.’

Once again, this comes down to nuances and Anglo Saxon communication. Trump says, “Yeah, I guess,” and then a pause, and a long, “…sooo…” which means “Millions are angry so I have to be diplomatic here, but I will put in a clarification,” and then, “…um, y’know, I wish it was, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”

Then we have his remarks at CIA Headquarters, about National Security & Defense, issued on: January 21, 2017. Trump said about 2350 words, and I will paste about 5% of them (about 125) below. The part in question is in red.

At a certain age, I remember hearing from one of my instructors, “The United States has never lost a war.” And then, after that, it’s like we haven’t won anything. We don’t win anymore. The old expression, “to the victor belong the spoils” — you remember. I always used to say, keep the oil. I wasn’t a fan of Iraq. I didn’t want to go into Iraq. But I will tell you, when we were in, we got out wrong. And I always said, in addition to that, keep the oil. Now, I said it for economic reasons. But if you think about it, Mike, if we kept the oil you probably wouldn’t have ISIS because that’s where they made their money in the first place.​

Even this ‘I wasn’t a fan of Iraq’ and ‘I didn’t want to go into Iraq’, is no big deal. Most people who voted to go into Iraq weren’t fans of the idea, and nor did they “want” to go.

Conclusion: It’s a Fake News beat-up. No lie visible. There's diplomacy, politeness, and opinions. No lies. How many lies have been compiled so far in this thread?

Zero.

Try harder Trump haters. Perhaps you should follow the advice in the OP.

 

The third point of our Galloping Gish merchant, and the last out of that mountain.

Trump made some remarks at a Roundtable Discussion on tax reform on April 5, 2018, at the White Sulphur Springs Civic Center, West Virginia. He spoke about 5,500 words. I’ll paste a tiny part of that – about one percent. Emphasis mine:

A lot of times it doesn’t matter, because in many places, like California, the same person votes many times. (Laughter.) You probably heard about that. They always like to say, “Oh, that’s a conspiracy theory.” Not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people. And it’s very hard because the state guards their records. They don’t want to see it.​

Here’s the same quote butchered by Fake News (politifake):

In many places, like California, the same person votes many times. You probably heard about that. They always like to say 'oh that's a conspiracy theory.' Not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people.​

Once again there is no ellipsis or lowercase letter at the start – instead, a capital ‘I’ that makes it look like the sentence began with “In” instead of “A”. The first eight words, “A lot of times it doesn’t matter, because…” are missing. This makes it appear there was no other conversation this was stemming from. They left out the reference to audience laughter. They left out the comma after ‘say’ and made ‘Oh’ lowercase (bad grammar), and they left out the last two sentences, “And it’s very hard because the state guards their records. They don’t want to see it.”

There was a reason Fake News left out the last two sentences. They didn’t want you to know that Trump’s whole argument is that the State do this deliberately and won’t let you see their records, and they don’t want [you] to see them.

If California was not doing what Trump says, it would be a perfect opportunity to release those records so we can all see. Even then they’ll probably be faked. Faking data is something Socialists are very good at. So the question is, why don’t they? It would be a great way for them to embarrass Trump, which they would love to do. So why not? Because the records would show they let many illegals vote – probably millions.

Regardless – this is Trump’s opinion. Opinions aren’t lies.

Score for Lefties so far:

ZERO.

 

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SOP for Trump worshipers – discredit the source of the criticism. From the underscored link in my previous post:

In August 2015, Mr. Bannon told Ms. Jones in an email that he had turned Breitbart, where employees called certain political stories “Bannon Specials,” into “Trump Central” and joked that he was the candidate’s hidden “campaign manager.” He hosted Mr. Trump for friendly radio interviews and offered tactful coaching. This August, with the Trump campaign foundering, Mr. Bannon took over as chief executive.

Your claim that Trump NEVER lies takes the grand prize for "fake news".

 

I haven't 'sneered' or 'whined', I've just pointed out the sad little word game you are playing. Sad little word games are the intellectual equivalent of tugging yourself off - fun for the person doing it, but of little or interest to any other sane person. I'm not interested in your little verbal wankfest. If that means you get to scream 'victory' and pat yourself on the back & claim victory then aren't you a clever boy.

What matters to you isn't the string of lies, falsehoods and untruths, but creating some definition of 'lie' under which none of them exist. So very, very sad. It says something about where conservative politics are at that people have gone from 'we don't care that Trump lies' to 'Trump never lies'. That is hard core 100% Kool Aid stuff.

 

Well, it is to attack the source. There was no 'discrediting' involved, just an attack based on the ethnicity of the author. Given she has a degree from one of the top ranked universities in the world it is fair to assume her English language skills are better developed than the OP's.

 

Thanks, though I guess that’s sarcasm. Laugh, but prank callers are very real. Receptionists at papers, TV stations & police stations are forever getting calls from pranksters claiming to be stars. “Hello, this is Arnold Schwarzenegger, I’d like to speak with the editor.” They sometimes get through, too. Peter Sellers started his career by calling BBC radio producer Roy Speer, pretending to be Kenneth Horne, a radio star. Speer gave him an audition and the rest is history. Why did the receptionist believe him? He did a good imitation. Yet the tape I heard of Trump wasn’t even convincing. A prank caller pretending to be a big star is one thing, but Trump wasn’t that big a star in those days. He was a small star. They are much easier to prank people over. The stupid 25 year old reporter is easily fooled. I could call one and convince him I was Trump. He makes a tape of the conversation. Today Trump is POTUS and the tape is important. But… they don’t let us hear it. Why not? Why only a transcript? Because it sounds nothing like Trump.

As for aliases – if you think they aren’t needed become a billionaire and see how far you get without one. When you’re shivering in a basement with a gag and a blindfold I’ll bet you won’t be laughing much. The worst part would be your children being kidnapped. Good luck with that. Once again, it's force, which neutralizes lies.

 

Score for Lefties so far:

ZERO.

 

Not sure if his is .. know that my quote is in there ... The one where Trump lies.

 

My, aren’t we touchy? Get over it. In the OP I said:

“…remember, to qualify you need to provide just one EXACT quote and provide a link to show the alleged lie details.”​

So if you get one word wrong I’ll say, “Misquote.”

You said:

We have signed more legislation than anybody. We broke the record of Harry Truman.​

Actual quote:

You know, one of the things that people don’t understand, we have signed more legislation than anybody — we broke the record of Harry Truman.​

They should include the whole sentence, and if they are going to cut it, they need to use an ellipsis (…) to show it was cut from a longer sentence, with a lowercase ‘w’. They truncated it and gave it a capital W which makes it sound like a more definite statement. They do that kind of thing all the time.

My mentioning ‘misquote’ was only a passing comment. You totally ignored my main points about it being an opinion, not a lie. You ignored:

Believing something and asking you to check it, is not lying, which is why most of the media didn’t call it lying. He thought his 94 bills were the greatest number - it turned out it was Truman with his 126 bills. Whoopee do. Trump was 71.5 years old, and it was 2 days after Christmas day. Instead of shrieking “LIAR!” the Left should flay themselves with whips for being so desperate for something to whine about – and to keep whining about - like a broken diff. Pathetic!​

Score so far:

ZERO.

 

Still waiting for a response here ...
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-quote-and-link.538938/page-5#post-1069448223

 

Linda Qiu discredits Trump all day long, as does Politifake and the rest of Fake News. It’s all they do, and you talk about SOP? I pointed to a fact checker who fact checked Ms Qiu. I’ll bet you didn’t even look. According to your Lefty Logic, only Ms Qiu can fact check, nobody’s allowed to fact check her. Sum Ting Wong with dat attitude metink.

Blah blah blah. I think Trump knows whether he ‘knew’ Bannon in the sense we’re discussing. The nuance and meaning of the word was already explained to you, desperate one.

 

Sure, I answered that in post #149.

 

This Russian troll post is going to go on forever....we are quoting lies correct?

Wake up tomorrow and listen to Trump, you will get another one.

How about this one.

I'm going for the largest Bait, since we are feeding trolls...Obama wire tap..BOOM..feed on that.

 

How about Stormy Danial?, How about his collusion? How about you prove an Obama lie based on your logic?

 

Okay, guilty as charged.