Since I am probably the only list member that has ACTUALLY USED Winstrol --
I still have an unfinished bottle, prescription intact -- let me make this
perfectly clear: I think that the benefits might be mostly mental. Then
again, I went over "to the dark side" for only three months, so what do I
know? I didn't notice any benefits, and I hated the concomitant shots and,
even more so, hated the idea of cheating.
I got mine from Dr. Smulovitz, the Eugene, Oregon physician who, at one time
or another, "treated" just about every world-class athlete who has ever
passed through this town. While it was well-known here what was going on, I
would have never thought of approaching him until another well-known runner
asked me if I wanted to come in with him. I think that he was having
misgivings about his doping and wanted support. "Sure, why not" I said. I
was getting damn tired of hearing that I was the only one not running on a
"flat course."
I went in under the pretense that I was interested in B-vitamin shots, which
was all the rage in those days. My instructions were to somehow work into
the conversation with Smulovitz that I was interested in "anything else that
I could do to keep me from breaking down from the demands of 120 mile
weeks?"
Fumbling,bumbling and mumbling like a 13 year old asking for a date I
finally blurted it out. He immediately unloaded a barrage of questions. "Are
you training for track or a marathon?" "Summer track or indoor track?" "What
events" "Spring marathon or fall marathon?" "Will you be running in
championships or other events where there will be testing?" My back
stiffened, my eyes opened wide, and my head spun around in a whirling
blurgit. "ARRRRRRHHHH! malmo, you're not in Kansas anymore", I thought.
I left that morning with a prescription (2mg, twice daily) good for two
months (and four refills) and instructions to come back once a week
(Tuesdays) for shots of FSH, TSH, or ACTH (one of those crazy initialisms)
to counter the adverse effects by keeping the
hypothalamus/pituitary/adrenal/testicular functions normal. That's the part
that I really disliked. It felt as though my skinny-ass runners arm was
being pumped up with a bicycle pump.
The parking lot outside on Tuesday mornings was a who's who of track & field
in Eugene (and the world).
The way it is justified is that if you are running a XC race and you see
that there is a well worn path INSIDE of the cones, do you cut the cones? Of
course, you do. It's not cheating if everyone ahead of you cuts the course.
Like I said, I really didn't notice anything different and wised up three
months later. It's just not my style to cheat. Sorry. I set two American
records clean, and had two other near misses at ARs clean, and didn't see
what I could gain without losing my soul by being dirty. I can look at
myself in the mirror and I sleep well every night. Others, I hope, cannot.
Now if the omnipotent malmo, who is outspoken about the corrupting influence
of doping in our sport could go dirty, what makes you think that those out
there with broken internal compasses and millions of dollars at stake
wouldn't?
Now stick your collective heads back in the sand.
malmo
Since most of you guys are fairly intelligent and somewhat resourceful, if
you would just use the power of the web and use the internet PDR you'd note
that red blood cell production is also one of the benefits of Winstrol.
Another reason why the drug was popular with distance runners.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Rohl
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:13 PM
> To: Track Posts
> Subject: t-and-f: Drugs - part 2
>
>
> Netters
> Now back to the drugs. It is my feeling that IF I took drugs and I
> took the right ones correctly here is what would happen. This is
> based on what I have read about the drugs themselves and what
> others have said they could do..... then again I might be way off!
>
> A drug like stanzanol, also known as winstril I believe, would do
> several things.
> 1) My tendency towards inflammation in the tendons would be
> reduced allowing me to train more with less risk of injury.
> Winstril is sometimes used with cortisone injections to strengthen
> the tendons after the injection. Cortisone can weaken the tendons
> with prolonged use. The winstril was added to help counter that. A
> doctor I was working with on a tendon offered as a treatment for me
> back in 1990 for a severe case of tendonitis in the interior of the
> knee. I refused it and went on with treatment for two more years.
>
> 2)The decreased recovery time from being able to take up extra
> glycogen and protein across the cell membranes would allow me to
> walk more volume at a faster pace and train more often. For
> example, I can now either walk 90 miles per week at an average of
> 9:00 min/mile or I can walk 50 miles per week avg 8:00 min/mile. If
> I took the drug and continued the same regime then I feel I would
> perform the same. However, if I then train 90 miles per week at 8
> min pace then you would see about a 3 minute improvement on my
> 20k time (1:29 to 1:26).
> Because I don't train to make my muscles hypertorphy they
> wouldn't - even with the drugs. WHich reminds me some one else
> wrote about that. Body builders get bigger using those drugs
> because of the way they train - you can also use them to stay lean.
>
> 3) I have no doubt that the training would still be hard but it is my
> understanding that the long term dibilliating effect would be
> reduced. I would then be able to spend more time doing what i call
> "core work." Which in turn would make my technique better
> allowing me to go faster.
>
> That would be just 3 points from that drug.
>
> HGH
>
> With its ability to metabolize fat and aid in increasing lean dense
> muscle my body fat rate would drop from a low of 7% to maybe 3%.
> Reducing my weight by 6lbs - the distance folks know what that
> mean about 30 seconds at 5k and a corresponding increase in VO2.
> The two together (winstril and HGH) could improve my 5k time by
> as much as 90 seconds - that would possibly put me down to the 1:23
> range. But I would still have to do the training.
>
> EPO
>
> Since I live at altitude this would have less of an effect then it would
> a sea level athlete. But though I haven't walked but one PR since
> moving here I have competed at a much higher level then before.
> At the OT I beat several athletes that have PR's 3-4 minutes faster
> then mine. I am sure the the extra gram of HG has helped me -
> especially in late stages of the races. (My HG went up from 14.1 to
> 15.2). Now I know that Tim Seaman (OT Champs and first to be
> thrown out of the dining room) has a natural HG count of 16 and
> Jeferson PErez, the of the incredible technique is naturally 18! If I
> took EPO I am sure I could get the HG levels up to 18. Dropping
> me to the 1:20 level but I would still have to do the training and of
> course as I got faster and did more I could train more.
>
> This would take me from being an ok walker to world class but I
> think it would still take at least 3 year. And even then I would have
> to learn with the mental side of competing at the next level (let me
> att'um let me att'um:). My feeling is that I could possibly get to the
> 1:26 level in two years, clean, IF I stayed healthy. That is a huge IF
> because I have had such bad luck with car accidents (and other
> accidents as well). Which would put me in line to approach the A
> standard at 50k which I think would be possible with in the year
> with drugs.
>
> My belief is that three are some walkers using but that someone
> like Jefferson is clean and that walkers can get to the 1:18 or so
> level clean and Jefferson at least can be on the ground at that speed.
>
> Don't know if all this adds the the conversation or not but I hope it
> has. If I screwed anything up on what the drugs might do feel free
> to correct me. :)
>
>
> Good Training,
> Michael Rohl
>
