ISOC UGANDA Girls/Women in ICT Webinar 'Access & Safety'
6:40AM Apr 28, +0000
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Hello and welcome to this session to start now I hope you can hear me clearly saying can you hear me? My name is Joanne katangi and the acting president and also general secretary for the Internet Society, Uganda chapter I want to welcome you all for this session in the celebration of the girls in ICT day. 2022. So Internet Society Uganda chapter joins the world in celebrating these international girls in ICT day as an itu International Telecommunication Union initiative. Also a global movement centered to promote the existing career opportunities waiting for girls, young women, since one of the objectives of the chapter
since one of the objectives of the Internet Society is to provide such forums for discussions of issues that affect Internet evolution nology development and use in the technical, commercial, societal and other contexts. So this year's theme has been centered around access and uncertainty, but also do not forget to tag as Internet Society you can bet chapter and itu along with the hashtag ICT girls in ICT day 2022 on Twitter and across all social media handles. So we are hosting this event and because you know, today girls and young women thrive or have strides to be around you know, areas of science technology, engineering and mathematics careers. So we believe in need safe and reliable access to the Internet, but also learn how to work with these these digital tools. So the aim of the day usually is to cultivate the presence and digital skills of girls and young women creating a movement that empowers but also encourages these girls to pursue such carriers in same so this of course, will enable them to compete in what we call this so called in what we call the male dominated field. So even the women need to realize the benefits for their greater participation in the ICT sector but also with other steam sectors through collaboration but also partnerships around the ICT so today we are also joined by other officials from from the chapter I guess a tight as we have a manual, you can also give us your name and your role with the chapter. Thank you Good morning everyone. My name is Mr. Internet Society center as the special mind for joining so Titus you have the floor I am the we missed Titus or I can't hear anything from him. And you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you now. So should I introduce myself again because I did it everyone. Should. I actually did hear your personnel. Okay, so good morning everyone. My name is Titus Ilyas. I am the Acting Programs Director for Internet Society Uganda chapter. Thank you so much Titus. And we also have Joseph to window on the call. Can you introduce yourself and the role at the chapter
while we wait for Joseph to enter we also have our leader Ivan Vasa, Ivan Bosa. Could you introduce yourself to our participants Okay, Ivan was oh that region that Internet Society yeah thank you. Thank you everyone for joining us. Great, thank you all for you know, introducing yourself so going forward the eye rolls. This meeting will be reported and number two, if you are not speaking, please mute your mic. And also for the video because you know of the Internet connections that are not good to give you no access to everyone to be part of the meeting. So I'm also checking, no sense do we have already Angela here on the call from Anita
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seen a Darrell from the idea agenda and Technology Initiative. And we also have a representative from funding voice Uganda and she's with us in the house. Members please if you are not speaking kindly mute your mic.
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It's very nice. It's fine. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So we shall start our session with the speaker, Christina Dara from the idea agenda and Technology Initiative. Christine has an over five years experience actively working in the fields of digital rights and digital safety and also security where she has evoked lead and implemented innovative programs and activities with a focus on digital safety and security for women children. Throughout her career she has taken lead roles in the field of digital security trainings, project management, data analysis and visualization, electronic document systems, but also youth and gender inclusive technologies. She is currently working as a digital advocacy lead at idea, gender and technology initiative in Uganda, delivering ICT solutions for the development by building innovative tools and data to improve service delivery towards attaining sustainable global goals. She's also a founder of passage, which is a tech solution that integrates with ride hailing apps to provide safe and affordable means of transport for school children without needing a smartphone. Christine today is a 2022 Mandela Washington Fellow SF SR program fellow but also a digital safety program for the East African women fellow that also has been selected as a speaker at the World Youth Forum where she shared a panel with His Excellency the President of Egypt sharing her views on digital safety for children. Christian, you're most welcome to this session, and I'll straight take you to the question. Hope you
can hear me John. Hey, Chris. Yes. I just to interrupt you a bit. We have ISOC live on the call. So I don't I don't know whether it's possible for you to put your camera on because they are streaming a session on ISOC live. Yeah. All right. Thanks. Okay. So Christine, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Okay, I'll straight take you through the questions. So Christine Taylor's idea, gender and Technology Initiative. How have you influenced the inclusion of women and girls in ICT today? Thank you so much, John, and thank you to all of us who have joined us today on this conversation. I'm very excited to be part of this discussion. I'm very passionate about technology. Like John introduced me I work as the panda alongside other responsibilities, someone who has so many hats. But it's an organization delivering information communication and technology ICT solutions, development, tools and data to improve service delivery, towards attaining sustainable growth. To go back to your question. Technology Initiative was from what appears to be a very tech women focused. We like to to motivate and influence and inspire young women
feel that mostly
male dominated. We're not trying to push them away from this space, but rather encourage more women to join this space. So we've influenced the inclusion of women and girls in ICT, one has been mainly to train. For example, we've held stem Bootcamp for the past 45 months and I'm excited to see some of our alumni and our program and program fellows to be being part of this call. And basically the stem boot camp, which has been running for the past four cohorts, I think from November, we take women through different different sessions with different different trainings that build on their knowledge of technology, for example, coding, design thinking, but also helping through personal development trainings as well because most of the time or is it safe to provide people with trainings and information but sometimes some are empowered, personal level. So personal development is a very important aspect that we need to also push themselves to what they want to do in life. So also other programs aside from the same which will be collaborative partners, US Embassy compiler programs at our center and also Kibo Foundation, as well as as well as other organizations that are in line is essential. So what is the main Techmakers which, basically focusing on creating awareness on tech programs, and he said that women stay Wednesday, Women's Day events at American Center where we bias technology against women. We also share many opportunities and the different platforms that we created, for example, all the different assembled websites platforms, and once in a while when we come up with an opportunity technology shadows that it's nice to sometimes see some of them actually get through this program in adulthood. So just kind of acidity beyond Uganda, for them to build their knowledge in this particular field. As you're seeing it, different stakeholders that I know our basically just push more women to be involved in that like to say this very male dominated, but it also comes from, you know, it comes from the community that we come in, personally growing up is this for men, and I shouldn't be you know, bettering myself straining my head, doing a cursory check was will take us related costs, or tech related costs, sorry. But you know, I've found myself somehow some technology of course, to be in a position where I'm eager to learn, eager to build my skills and just so you know, I didn't study technology, per se studying Bachelor, I did a Bachelor of Arts in social sciences, but two is different opportunities like the ones that exposing young women to I've been able to build my knowledge and skills and capacity field of ICT. So yes, we've done quite a number of programs,
but those are the ones respected. Thank you so much, John. Thank you so much, Christine. And I love the fact that you give us I call it the story, I mean, from where we've started from in this area of advocacy, around women and gangs in ICT and how to make women or girls you know, feel safe, how to work with these tools, but even beyond that, you know, the elements that you have put in in your programs around you know, programming, coding, introducing them to, you know, design thinking how you know, with the double diamonte around, you know, issues because I remember in one of your cohorts that managed to join, you know, you teach them to, you know, how do you think out of, you know, the books, you know, to create solutions that the world need to create solutions that a country that Uganda needs, because, you know, in every environment where we keep around our software, white, you know, a lot of problems that can't be, you know, managed, if, you know, we put in that element of design thinking, but also you know, how to use ICT as an enabler to be part of of the solution. So thank you. So you know, for you elaborate you, you know, answer and I hope our participants have really gained a lot from your discussion. So with us also in the house. We do have, Angela, to me from from Anita Uganda. So Angela will be with us for a short time. So Angela is a cyber cyber security expert with over 10 years experience. She holds an MBA in information systems, but also a Certified Information Systems audit. She is also a certified in resik systems control. She is a fellow of the Africa sidebars fellowship and currently working as a manager data protection affairs at the post office. And that Nita, Uganda, so under law supports the provision of relevant regulatory guidance and information to organizations and individuals in line with the data protection and privacy act. 2019. Angela, you're most welcome. So my question to you will be, how far has Anita Uganda ensure the protection of women and girls online while using the emerging technologies, which is the new what we call the financing of technologies in this fourth industrial revolution? Angela back to you.
Thank you so much, and good morning, everyone. I'm delighted to be here
just to see if I can do my video.
Okay, but it's a pleasure to be here again, and I'd like to say thank you for all of you Yes. So we're talking about Anita and what Anita has done so far in regards to women and to ensure overall kind of disagreement online technologies is working in place so as Anita actually put in place, an enabling environment. So when we talk about an enabling environment, we're talking about laws. We're talking about regulations. Now without this environment, then there is no there is no way that women or girls can seek redress when they are harassed or when they face fear online. And so this environment makes sure that there is a legal redress for women online once they face any issues. Online any bullying or harassment, and we have loads such as the Computer Misuse Act, that is in place for that as well. And then the other thing that we have done is conduct Cyber Security Awareness, because we know that without knowledge without awareness, then most of the things will go either unreported or and tackled unsolved. So we didn't live at nature that it's very, very important to actually have Cyber Security Awareness measures in place. Why because then this makes sure that the women are our empowered, they have knowledge they have information that they can use while online because we believe in equipping women and girls to be able to defend themselves online. And then, we've partnered with IW, with internetwork foundation to make sure that we are dealing with issues of child pornography. And so we say that if you find an image of a child pornography online do reported to us through our portal set.ug. And those images will be taken down. Why because we believe that even after an atrocity has been performed, has been committed and the images online or the videos check online. This tool perpetuates the crime on the victim. And so we're making sure that these images, these videos actually go offline, so that then it can bring healing and you know, and comfort to the victims. And then also we have the set the GG where you can actually report we work closely with the police in the set so you also able to report any any issues any crimes to the set as a woman or as as a young girl in ICT.
Thank you so much. So much. Thank you so much Angela for you elaborative you know discussion around, you know, the laws, you know, the legal system in protection of women, girls and children online. I love the fact that you talk about you know, the Computer Misuse Act, and the role you play around, you know, in, in the protection of women is you know, rights online because you find that today, most women, especially even women in leadership or even young women have got challenges when accessing these platforms. People are bold, there is a lot of cyber stalking, issues around identity theft and probably we know not we are not sure of how we can be protected online. So Anita, Uganda coming in to raise awareness through these cyber security women webinars to the public is a great platform to empower our women and girls going forward as regards to you know, the theme of today which is access and, and safety. I also picked from you when you talk to him about the role you're doing in protecting children, where with the Internet, what Foundation, prevention of child pornography and all that comes within that, that area, so it's really a great initiative and many songs to to your entire team, the authority, so I'll straight go to our next speaker who is Rosa Bella and Sita I hope I really pronounced your name clearly. I will introduce resume is our next speaker is visible from Fundy boots, Uganda. She's currently the regional manager for the boots. This and she's a soft skills coach who is passionate about youth capacity building with a keen eye or nurturing the girl child to maximize their potential. Roosevelt strength of course lies in leadership, but also inspiring young people. So my first question for you Rosa bill will be as founding boots Uganda Could you walk us through the initiatives you have done so far? And how we influence the digital age for women and girls RosaBelle you have the floor. Thank you so much, John, also thank you so much for everyone who has joined the call. It's it's very interesting when we are having a room filled with gentlemen and ladies, trying to figure out how we can continue to help nurture and capacity build the young. The young generation is especially female. When we talk about girls, I get very delighted and very excited. But as an organization has one mission, and I think when it comes to the theme, we are here for access accessibility, and then we can partner with the rest of with Anita with Madame Christine, on security and all that. So our one mission is to accelerate science learning in Africa, and how can we talk without talking about technology? I mean, it's the industrial revolution. So what are we Dinah's on the boats? As an organization over the years? We are 10 years old, we have impacted over 11,000 students. We have
legs in the north we are in Gulu, we are in Barra. We are in ballet, and of course we are here in Kampala, and out of the 11,000 more than 5000 Girls and that goes to show that we are intentional about capturing where other females but even then you can see over 11,000 But we still have 5000 and ladies older female. So how do we then impact the digital age? We try to capture these young people from the age of six. So we are in that classrooms. We are with our teachers. We are capturing them there. We've got two tools that we use. When you talk about funding bots, everyone will talk about trouble. The first thing they will hear is the bots and they will ask where is the robot? I am it's very interesting how people think they're going to come to probably NASA space and find Sophia robots that Tolkien robots and hopefully one day we shall have a Ugandan robot I don't know which shall give a robot but first I'll work on this together. But why do we go to the classrooms, we go to the classrooms so that we can be in position to change the attitude of this young girl at an early age so that they can be in position to be exactly what they want to be and do exactly what they want to do before they are corrupted. So we use robotics but we also have a tool called the enhanced science we have different programs we have what we call the fully at school in the classroom. We have fully at home, in the community where we where we give you science project science concepts to us in the comfort of your home. We have fully at work where we are now nurturing the ones that are the university the ones that are out of school, but cutting their in is when the girls were asking ourselves Where is the girl child how many of us they were the ladies were the women in this whole in this whole initiative that we are trying to capture. So we have a whole entire team called the fully girls community. How do we do this? We apart from the classroom setting where we go and maybe do a robotics training or we go and do an in house. We set out in her science curriculum tools so that adults can understand the science concepts better. And has science is just us. Working with the National Curriculum Development Center to get the tools, the practical tools in the science curriculum, create modules which we then take back to the schools and then the schools help give us teachers that we train again and then they take back to the classroom so that the young learner can be in position to understand the science concept better. So we are trying to break the myth that science is hard then we have an internship program we welcome as many girls as we can. We have a fully girls community this one is for the girls out of school. But that does not mean that we don't take care of the boy child because we know for sure that it is very important for us if we have to cut this down we have to have intentional male inclusion. We work in partnerships with with with everyone who is on the on the on the strong initiative of ensuring that we have gender equity. So we have a curriculum for the girls. And it has evolved over the years. We partnered with j&j, South Africa and now fully at schools. Programs Manager who is who also doubles as our Curriculum Development Associate has done a very beautiful job to ensure that this that we are taking to the girls is holistic. It has it all it has. How do we capacity in the classroom in their social lives, and even in their emotional, we are capturing emotional intelligence. They are in so to answer your question. Joanne, we are being intentional about taking a science and not child through technology, robotics, but also in their classrooms through the national curriculum, and also being intentional about working in partnerships with other people who are already doing a beautiful job and incorporating what we feel is necessary in our curriculum as well. I hope that answers
your question. Join. Yes, Rosa. Thank you so much for that elaborate, you know, discussion around the work with Fundy. But actually I also thought I should really come around. You must have the SOFIA at office. But I love that, you know you bring in the kind of initiatives that you know, diversity you have programs for the young children. You have photos that are out of school, but even for those that are in school, because you know, when we talk about robotics in the tech, it's part of the emerging technologies that we are looking at because you know, someone told me, we shall get to a place when machines understand us more than our souls. So that is how tough you know tech knowledge is is getting so which means we must be up to date on how it is, you know text the emerging technologies robotics, AI, machine learning and be able to know how actually they work. So tapping into the young ones actually before I think it's a great a great initiative for me because you know, you you expose them to the tech, but also help them again to be innovative in a way of how to use that to you know better themselves around, you know, the tech world which is really a great initiative and also love that you are partnering with some other you know, people, organizations that are doing the same work to further you know, sprayed, you know, awareness about these tech systems. Another thing that I also picked from your discussion, it is not only about the girl child or the young, the young woman you're also you know, thinking through of these texts on how to, you know, expose them to also the boy challenge at the same time. So, thank you so much. My next question will be to Angela, I hope she's still with us. Angela, maybe you could tell us what strategies have you put in place as Mita to allow for effective participation of women and girls in this area of ICT? Of course not forgetting you know, the theme is access and safety. Today, back to you, Angela.
Thank you very much. I hope you can hear me.
Yes of course. Okay, perfect.
So I think forgot to mention that at Anita. We are driving the digital transformation, digital revolution. So it's very important for us to make sure that we have safety or security for our users and especially for the most vulnerable groups who are the girls and the women. So some of the solutions that we actually implement, like for example, implemented a solution called ug path that is going to help with authentication and making sure that digital identity and security online while accessing, especially government platforms or applications, and then also from my slides from the data protection office, we are making sure that the person or the girls and the women share with our various companies with a various data controllers or processes that we like to call them is is actually step protected, but also that these girls or women know their rights, in terms of what they can and what they can do in order to make sure that they are protected online that their personal data is protected online, and he doesn't fall into the wrong hands. So like the ability or the right to ask for what kind of information a company holds on you as a young woman or as a girl that's very important and also the right to make sure that that information is actually fine if it's wrong or deleted if it was collected illegally, or unlawfully. So these are things that we're doing and like I said, we really really want to create a lot of awareness because an empowered woman and empowered girl is a great assets to society to the organization. So we really focus on this bit of empowerment. Now back to your questions. What strategies do we have in place? We have girls in ICT training and capacity building programs that we run every year as Anita and we also support women in technology Uganda operations we too. Now we to provide men and girls with tools and skills to live sustainable lives. We have also given very special attention to girl technology solutions attempts under the local grand scheme, which is the National ICT incentive support program and I sp and then the things that we do we've run and supported quite a number of events target targeted to this eg the academia, where we meet academia, meat industry, so we go to the academia and then we look at what happens with academia meets the industry. So we do support many of the events. We also support a local, a lot of hack events in the academia, in universities, like introduction to cybersecurity boot camps, we do support these. So there's quite a bit where we actually forecast I mean, make sure that in whatever we do, the girl child or the woman as well, very well taken care of and making sure that the times the places actually conducive for a girl child and the woman thank you so much, Joanne, over to you.
Thank you so much, Angela. And it's good you are with us in the House to discuss these strategies. And then Peter is doing to support the culture because sometimes we are out there but we really actually don't know that this exists. And it's really really great to have you discussed especially you know, the how you're working around the digital transformation agenda. How you actually do that capacity building programs with WWE to button with them to retool, you know, women and girls but I also love the fact that you have the fund that you know, women and girls in ICT can tap into, you know, they have setups to be supported, proven solutions to unique emerging challenges around you know, ICT usage, but also adoption at some point in time. So thank you so much for all your support you give him from that side. And the next question. We will go to Christian from the idea Christian in the advocacy you know, you realize mindset change is key. How have you brought in this cope within the mindset change for girls to be able to leverage more opportunities in technology? Justin, you have the floor thank you so much, John. Yes, so as I did agenda, like I mentioned, in holding, leadership, personal development, basically to help young women understand who they are, like I said, sometimes equality the skill to someone, but if they don't know who they are on a personal level, it's very hard for them to implement whatever they are learning. So basically help them discover who they are. And that's through the personal development training, empowering them on a personal level to help them understand that technology. There is no limitation to technology. When you're signing up on Facebook, they're not gonna say oh, you're a woman can't sign up when you get a smartphone. Man, you don't need to get a smartphone. It's open to everyone but it's the mindset that we have towards the use of technology. That means stem from using it. In all, you know, in school, when you're growing. It's already something that's planted in your mind that is hard and it's something that's, you know, intelligible by boys. Which gets me to ask the question when they are teaching when they're offering these classes, they don't bite and say Okay, boys, and girls, good ones, because you study English boys, physics, chemistry, and all these other science related so there's no there's no quick history. There's more like, you know, separation of human is only for men the mindset. So basically, we we need to change our mindsets to help them understand that we are in the take forward world. Everything technology right now we all know that technology and technology is basically an enabler to things without technology and technology, it's just a sampling. So basically, they don't technology, about software software design, creating application, back end, keen on smartphones, graphics to the best of yours. It's the simple thing is basically setting up
different platforms to show so that's basically achieve certain goals that have been added to achieve and also allowing critical thinking and the same thing in well young
tradition and highlights that leaves society as we know the efficient system and the outdated. syllabus has been updated so the syllabus is not, you know, anywhere compared to how the world is running 10 years now. Apologies for interrupting the use of phones, computers, smartphones. for learning purposes. Realize how does it shall continue learning without them having to educate me on all these different telecom companies, change cases, packages, applications for students to learn online. So just imagine you do not have any access for that you don't have we're not able to continue learning for the women and young girls and women that have shied away from technology that means central planning so mindset change has really been for us mentorship, pairing, pairing young young women, human achievement, technology, line of work or also you know, having discussions where we bring other women to join the speaking to them like I say career check related career. We live search for Brazil to be able to help some of them change their mindsets and attitudes towards technology can be attributed to the experience that women have online access to access to health online. There's a lot of bullying against women in general to have sexual harassment, free speech, which makes many similar to you know, women and female celebrities whose pictures have been leaked online without their consent. And some of them may stay away from social media which sometimes most of the time for female celebrities. They use technology, technology very much stay on for quite some time that affects your business that affects your income. So we of course we also incorporate the aspects of how can we make it safe online in relation to also speaking about the digital era we've seen a lot of people become depressed with their peers online. Bullied to the point that depression they get stress, just be online. And also we fight
the axis line by line and also just maintaining integrity. Also lets them organizations practice their skills. You know, the more you practice, the more you become used to something so if I'm practicing, let's say,
another organization I'm able to translate that romance when it comes to using technology, so there's been a number of ways to try to change their mindset, but they didn't cheat by personal development, mentoring, dialogue, influence elegy and also stressed the importance of knowing how to use doesn't matter how simple it doesn't have to be more like a seamless web design using social media, your branding digital marketing and all these different are some of the things of use different thank you so much. Joy. Thank you so much, Christine, for that collaborative discussion around nine 6G. I've been into a lot of advocacy work and trainings, but it's one thing to give out the tool, but it is also enough for the student to be able to use the code in a way to give and intrapreneurial way to further themselves or bring some something on on board because I keep giving them examples. When you look like at Spotify you know all these apps that are with us, it was someone you know, design, using the design thinking methodology working with the double diamonte to something that could you know, provide a service and then like how, you know what, and and to make yourself better. So mindset change the confidence around ICTs for women and girls is something that we still need to to push for. And I also love the fact that you talk about the issue around online, you know, gender based violence. This is a silent that is actually pushing our women and girls offline, especially celebrities and men in leadership we yet these are platforms where people you know, try to sell their services or products or build their brands, again, these old odds because they achieved, you know, monsters to put you out there. So, thank you so much for you know, doing that even in your cohorts. You teach them leadership, how do you sell yourself? How are you going to get, you know, how your confidence you know, towards you know, accessing the platforms, no matter the harassment, no matter the you know, the the environment to which you know, people keep fighting as a young woman or young girl in this fourth industrial revolution. So we have a question from, from Ghana. And I think I'll take this question to Angela. Hope she's still with us. He causes self discipline for girls all over the world has become increasingly wiring to law, but there seems to be a gap in addressing gendered forms of cyber harassment in spite of this team. What regulatory frameworks need to be re enforced to acknowledge the gendered nature of cyber attacks against women and girls. To you Angela,
if you are still with us Hello, Angela. Yes hi, Angela. Can you hear me innocent? Yes, loud and clear. Okay, can you hear us we have for you okay, she's a little bit off or having technical challenges, but I will straight go to to Christine for for the next
question. That rose from from the boots. And of course Rosa. You know, in the today's world where we are speaking about the theme of you know, access and safety, we really need to what are some of the challenges faced by because and women in technology and how is funding boots, you know, trying to, you know, address such risks and challenges with these ICTs so back to you, Rosa. Thank you so much. going, yeah. Christine Goodman's lady Theatre in lots of things that I wanted to talk about she's question but I'll just read it and also just put a little emphasis and so I'm going to have my camera off. I get back. So there's there's been a lot of research around and a lot of literature review technology. And it is no good if you can hear my Internet. Alright. Can you hear me? Yeah. Okay. So are my my line of sight there but let me just try to pick it up from there. Like I was mentioning that literature is all over is the actual problem but I identify I just want to share a few of them here. They are at begins at home and the influence of family and teachers has a very big role that that it plays on what the Gulf child in other ways, is a young man in when it comes to the choice of Korea or you know, the choice and consequences. I like it, it's nothing that there is nothing to hide when we mentioned that. Girls are attracted to careers that that that they feel are easier or a meant for them because of agenda affiliated, you know, kind of conception and again that brings us to stereotypes to stereotyping but one of the issues that you find them in right that classroom the teacher is telling the girl girls are meant to be either teachers nonces even though don't ask them to be sergeants even when they tell them when they go to the medical field. They will tell them a girl in science or an English teacher, you know, engineering, they don't you know, engineering really you want to go and do electronic engineer and you will climb up that tree. You all know that and it is coming from home. And it's also coming from from from the teachers. So imagine and these are the two spaces where we spend most of our decision making years so between age zero to 21 You're still at home and you're being influenced into different institutions at home which is family and are at school where you are being biased or an over again against the career path that you would want to take. So golf as a child of not having proper career guidance, but also the fact that when it comes to the use of technology, there is a lot of stereotypes and there is also a lot of misconception that is embedded there. It is very important that this to your types are usually embedded in social patterns, about the male nature ICD jobs you know, and sometimes this this
exploit rubs off wrong. Like I have already mentioned. Also the girls lack knowledge, the practicalities of the sector. You know, most people think our technology is coding or technology is apps cyber security, measure intelligence. So it you know, then someone will think it is because those things, but until they've been in position to experience it to go out and try it and who can give them the keys. Again, going back on when I started from home from school started messing around because we do not have so many people and modeling this. Most of the doctors have held up most of the pilots, pilots. Most of the engineers are male engineers. So we need role models to come out and mentor these girls talk to the girls so that we can break the stereotype and break the means the misconceptions around there. Another thing that's really really a challenge for girls technology is and self efficacy is no brainer and Christine could not have seen any better. Girls luck. There is just something about it not just girls, even women are carry out what law training of teachers. We are intentional about having a female teacher trend test. But when we have been training teachers and we have both male and female teachers and now I'm talking about teachers even before I talk about the bar you will see later will become wired Wyatt in that truly means and they are alone. Ranging questions they will be proactive. When they are with men. They will keep quiet will not interact with the tools they let men do so. Why is this coming from teachers that I am talking about? Maybe some of the ICT teachers whether we're supposed to be teaching that teacher the teaching the girls in the classrooms that you know he's typing it is solidly in it in this experiment, the chemistry is there. It is doing this in the lecture room and allow yourselves to do it. Without even going far we have an internship program and out of 15 Also since we only have a minor girl, this was an open internship program. And she's here just alone so that several students are gonna lack self confidence. And this comes from anxiety. I think there's a lot of anxiety of the unknown, the fear of the unknown. What if I go in and it doesn't work out? What if, what if it worked? Or what if it is hard and the person sponsoring me cannot see anymore? So we that with attitude and self confidence. All these coupled with an anxiety and extensive knowledge is something that needs to be addressed. This is what really disturbs God is the fear that technology is not for them. But like every other speaker has mentioned that there was a sexual harassment and I don't know if it or Mrs. OCR from Ghana could not have saved me the data there.
But the harassment is on a rampage that girls are learning from cyber harassment either in the physical sphere to go to the teachers sometimes because the military I mean we are seeing we are here at university. So or even in primary schools that is still there. Accessibility or in some areas like I've told you from the buzzers, a privilege of just been in the north in the East. I mean, Central. Our it is just lack of access to success abilities. We'll be doing spaces where teachers do not use laptops, they've never seen a computer in the classroom and yet they're teaching ICT to students in our city. It is a whole curriculum, and they actually in theory, and the practical has never happened. What really happened they think they see when a time for example, they tend to come from an Internet cafe and they will and then they will so imagine that is the kind of learning era. We have back exhibits also with our universities, scholars that have come to do internship, and sometimes they've never, they've never interacted with some of the tools they find at its Army Engineers never seen a resistor possible was never interacted with an Adreno board, but as an electric student, in all honesty, so these are some of the challenges so there is accessibility but normal girls have a lot of risks of treaties and again, physicality. Even when we want to say that this does not happen. It really does some in some spaces and other rural areas you will find that a girl has to first take up the whole entire household chores before they go to school and the boys goes to school. still happening, it is real. So in a nutshell. Those are some of the problems that the young people are facing in regards to technology that way. Only bots are here and the rest of the partners are here to actually try to be like that Anita has an AWOL portal where we can report these when we are these two shell like I mentioned the Elena we love working in partnership what we can do with people who can do it better. And before that case, they were doing a lot of we do what we call next session similar to what academia meets industrial. We have worked with refractory direct route, customers building situation for our girls community so the bad girls can just learn to be competent if the girls in high school community have have gotten already in pursuing careers in ICT want to make them holy second round they did them. They had a session with them so that they can read this mean like I mentioned, we are trying. So if they are not receiving it from home office, at least they're receiving it from us a good school as we go to the classrooms as they come to the center. We're telling them if you can be just about anything, you have to be so long that you are you are coding. You try it out, you fail forward. If any of you fall apart, we encourage Kaizen when you fail, you learn you move, improve, you keep growing. Thank you. I hope that answered so much thank you so much for that, you know, elaborated discussion on, you know, the question. So of course, my key takeaway is to have role models but souls will also be role models for boys stereotype thing around you know, safe day, a male dominated female English teacher as though you know what, we're teaching something or being in our society.
I think it is really, really, I love the fact that you are there to change the narrative, you know, show them that you can be an Adreno Lord, you know, controller, you did management and to expose him to these you know, initiatives. So, it is it is obviously, what risk but also you also said that, you know, while we have structures, there are students that are being a liquid engineer in computer science and not as complex. This is still so big that I feel it is stakeholders be involved, especially I think government to see how such initiatives where infrastructure is available in that are able to use these things. It's really by, you know, sad to hear that we're next. Then you have to try sorority and then you have to travel to find on the Internet using the computer and you realize it is really a pity, but we also have in progress. We believe that getting things going to be will actually change. Angela, can you hear us? We lost her? In no sense do we find Lubbock or Manuel who seems to be on Sita and Angela, can you? Okay, we go straight to the question from Jose Manuel. All the way from Ghana, where he talks about you online for the girls all over the world becoming a word worry, you know, issue. So what's a framework to reinforce to acknowledge the agenda to the cyber attacks against women and girls? Titus, maybe you can tell them soon.
Do we have Titus with us? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. I think we have a problem dismissing a lot of isn't as is that our gender best.
There was a time was no matter between in 2013 and 20 2016. Their gender options were very active during the days, that's when few things think pressure was put on Catholic traditions to be squeezed a bit so that girl got children that she should she got a little bit breathing space and ventured into a Western. If you look closely at how long it's taken. Women to come into this other space, like education like leadership, like it's not so long ago. That conversation was had. So I think the we back to the board on talking culture at least, and the way that women in brought us one of the reasons and my in my experience, one of the reasons that I've seen even in the spaces where you use tanning, goggles and boys and you you you know participation from you, many not actually. Boys are there. It could be it could be could be with protein, but I've been to places where girls even mine remember the boys are there certain level and it might not equate to the way boys see themselves but it's at a certain level what's speak for themselves. Give you an example of boundaries like Japan where I've worked closely like South South South Korea, where there's a lot of the same challenges are happening because because of the way cultures cheat and so I think the old lady was saying the question about January's is, is is is is not necessarily something still his instinct is to wait and when they are born, especially in Africa and when we we are given status as as male, as as boys, or maybe boys, even someone is treated different from their sister. They're treated different from the maid who is allowed they're treated. So when they learn to suppress by their body expression. We've seen it in leadership. We've even seen it in the Internet. We've seen how much male supremacy can do to to push people down. It doesn't push people down, because there are no laws. Because even the people that formulate this, you're not actually considered that there has been extra pressure when you're when you're going to address the issue of self esteem. And how much it is easy to feel like we need to we need the conversation back i as early as last week I was into girls who are considering the age of 18 I don't want to go to college. I was I was talking to them about self esteem and what should be in and then one of them told me that she cannot actually tell father in pregnant because she's Father You know, I, I I feel like they're not talk to me but the girl and how he expresses himself what he does. So, so this relations are added in place but we focused so much on
getting the girls you know what their rights are and about teaching them how a human leashes we have not fully have fostered the regulation of the initial, the initial. The initial problem is raising our children in a way
that is not supportive of other people. It's not it's not only actually girls, it's about find, find my security to different Killiney, paths on different paths. We have not known our boys we have our men towards
the world is now evil. It's not that word was days where women are allowed to eat certain things. We have this feeling this happens. But it also happens in here. One of the programs has run with a Tokyo Metropolitan University. We discussed this. We discussed why women are not so much to technology yet. It is in Japan. There's so many opportunities and realize that it's true that women are inferior to men, they're at a certain level you're not supposed to. And it is not a religion but the real regulation is perfect in Japan. The thing is it's happening in the workplace where women work and I'm sure people who aren't in here will tell you it's been in many places. So I think as civil society and and people who are doing outside policy let's let's first match generation, young men, this generation of young people like Chris with children, and Christopher because Chris said I understand she has experience towards towards this. Let's get a conversation where young men are understanding their roles as human beings, not men, but our role as human beings on planet foot footsteps. You want are you the guy that will push him into into the kitchen or the guy going going to pull women to the open space for them to ignore the recent beauty of this nation or build this word? add something to this. Thank you so much for that elaborate description. And that was my last question. Christine Christine. Mostly highlight the
men that have been in in your muscles
aimed at promoting ICT. Thank you so much. That's all the previous conversation. I hope no one has discussed participants so some of the YouTube comments for us have been accepted, what information
and like let's say it's really important to increase accessibility to ICT of our contribution. That's it. Access to Information is something we need to coordinate but then where did they find it? That journey up the ladder, as you know these responsibilities, barriers up between the schools. Right you send my child to school 60 left with a statute and what you want to do they decide for them. No, you better be a lawyer you better be a doctor. But what if it's into the interests or what that person or their possibilities are or even an example pushed you into the medical field via various hospitals that don't have hospitals? I don't think we have the written word and you know I had to but because I didn't have access. I sort of you know you have your friends in Boston and they're like, Are your friends in high school? thinking the same person able to do about this? Let's go to this. Next one is going to be
just because that you're able to do the exams was worth it. Right sense of protection. In other words, guide me in terms of, you know, understanding my
persona, and what my interests are. What I like to enjoy that was not there was no information. And, you know, parents, you know, fees the school should let them know. The school and the school is thinking that their children so down to try to be so feel that it's too late like ah let's do it on campus. I just never change. And sometimes when he's younger as much time someone goes into middle school. Five years later, by the kids they don't know why they ain't that failure. To do
that. Let's say that I'll give an example of three elements. And they put out and I thought to myself I loved everything religion technology in 100 Having Michael just to understand awesome teaching myself so yes, accessibility with one of our biggest mentor was
we have been able to say like I say like, yeah, there was Brenda. There's a number of girls that have been shamira have been charity money was one request, but yes. And even then, you're being part of these deductions, maybe permissionless. And just you know, the area platform. You'll be motivated, inspired platform. is created. So, you know, stability is very important because they don't have
we've done a number of checks that we will eventually get to where you live by healthy data sheets to be able to stay online. Most of them are using
phones. But that comes with scammers out there between them. So also just kills me use of technology to solve. Doing but also be able to stay civil. Also international partnerships, yet require focuses on awareness and digital enhanced. You're getting to know each other and learning from each other, expanding our material impact because that's what we
know not for example, we can incorporate recall from and we'd bring them back. And then you know we also just learned today just about what's easy to get us what's consumption of
wood it's been it's been for about three minutes I've been providing information, information providing us
expanding the number of beneficiaries, programs exposing the different ISOC to better understand ICT basics are very wide and the following always related to quality and software. ICT than just knowing how to create things as simple as using using Word to match up or without having to say yes, those have been achieved. Thank you so much, John. If there's any questions I hear for me.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much for that disclosure. I love the number one disabilities information but also you know being you know, digital skills, trainings, of COURAGING to quite a number of ways. We could really get permission for themselves in these areas. So maybe that he's in the chat with streaming or whether he actually asks how can they can can provide the girls chat related, be pure. repeat your question again. That says how can our culture of understanding the child in this sad, unrelated field?
Well, African culture and mindset it was very hard to wake up one day and say, tomorrow we should not be able to send that content because it can't just change
your mindset and change the concept of work. For example, someone needs to hear someone speaking oh my god because for them a concept. You don't have that. Wealth. mindset change is not something that just likes a small step much. Progress Much, much you know don't tomorrow like this sample. Younger sister okay for us, it was Charles being involved simple steps such as that don't necessarily change mindset for one second understand. I don't think that some steps towards you know what it is right for me. I think our mindset cause of fields such as engineering, but you just see the parents late but the mindset is different. More often, you know? Maybe my God loves you to make assumptions. That's a mindset shift. You know, thinking differently. Unlike before, boys and girls are sent to night. clubs such as let me say the bed the bed with you know,
what pays to be involved? I think things are changing as time adjust, but it's not going to be tomorrow or next week. Or next year. We should be thankful making our position as an independent sample is we have people who are influencing
that means that he influenced into ictsi. So, yes, contribution. Thank you, Joe, and thanks for the questions. I'll be running if there's no other questions. Thank you so much for your time. Let's do it. Anyone who has
seen you know drops off the format, another discussion Okay, strike would go back to Roosevelt, funding Sugandha. And because of the ease, I mean some of it is you know that take ICD fund imports Krishna rather join I am ah the I like to look a little bit when you say once I have the opportunity is that I could take one and I want to say go back and take one job at the main con to break the narrative alright. Normal things and boy ways to just be what would be long as we absolutely. So, there are so much ice and I'm not sure about that statistical look, but I know that it is, I think, if I didn't have the software to be needed, maybe five to 10 today with bated we get on board as agenda like to call us a better price analyst that we have in this position. It is our goal to be a pilot can be an anatomist can be a content creator. Girl can even be a digital strategy. It can be a broad construct. The girl can just be in cybersecurity. I mean I was teaching us about the opera opportunity opportunity to answer you in another would be what Milan kowski that's I think what I was trying to call me, I had with my I don't know if he's still here. But what are some of the things we have? You have plans that are available for the women have a full exhaust platform, but also our assistant is like I mentioned to her phone the phone the phone and we have on the inside tells you what we do by legal means treating their admins. So we schools so in case you're this is well and you know as a school that we've got to do, let us know and the resource hours we got there. We have a holiday holiday class happening right now. Enter God we can expose the children to technology we're still young living who says they would love to love what they love, no robots. Some children who just want to get get everything. I mean we said our mission is to accelerate. We train teach us how we like teachers, we have internship opportunities for the young people. Carry out what makes sense. If you follow our social media platform, we put this thing out disseminating the only think that is if we are taking women honestly I think it really is I will say that women men need to check. I've tried the ladies are still within cells by those of us. We need to continue to get it out of our like our funding program and we have other people like right now our our programs lead for follow up did you communicate with patients we've trained over 20 Girls in robotic in a very remote area. So call us on Twitter, about something that will come together because we believe in law. We have a
Git under don't make it small tonight going on. clerics and slamming Internet okay with Anita working with German lady got our so I like to ask for the budget like prophecy moving upwards the premise that we teach on my lawn as we need to assure that we are packed. See that every child can still dream and that will give them pleasure.
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meet you can go low low 40s have no conversations that you could get anywhere from this home or team today. We have any hands raised in or Jessie Titus would want to add any onto the calculator Oh Ivan Hi, can you hear me? Can this John thanks very much. When discussions, the boy comes back as successful as usually about me gathering and deceit. It's always discussed and being able to put this into two core processes now unities in our workplace, it starts with us. We are looking forward now at the session and we have some interesting interesting trusting from our our speakers and equations. I hope that if we want to learn what to do, then you can be able to create a change in the various offices where we will be between inspire us mobile notably last year you can talk to them so it's about started so it goes for Monday. Lydia, thank you so much in that scene if you're with us too late and thanking you for the great discussion. Are there any professional upscaling tools for people who want to improve their take home page only, but remember, he talked about the three big tips on the at home phone work at school back to Christie
I think I think we'll have surgery. Yeah. Yeah. So for people who want to prepare technology, as mentioned we have we waited times in most cases, a target and our primary six two teams really seem to 20 It doesn't mean learning the journey. You can still learn English if you want to if you came to us, definitely it is without jurisdiction.
Simply share not sharing. Is one of our courses we don't see the answer is yes. thing that we can share with you. We do try to extend no one who can
have resources we are not allowed to share a lot because without that, we could not have the experts. P resources we believe turnovers ambition can man I have no other better place? Yeah. Okay, do any other hands raised decisions Hey seems rather value as short as you know one to two days so my Zephie access a lot of opportunities. Don't allow your mind to limit my loss, especially for women like I mentioned, like raise my eyebrow and have a bit of an eye in helping people atelier in their consignment, potentially less and less be places that you want to be there. Take charge of life and take us to court. One of the value to the windy boots I love to use values is so noisy, isn't it is okay. That you don't want to know but it is not good to know and you're planning so please be reaching for it teachable series. You can learn and learn and learn and make the best you don't learn until you make sure that we will implement my catchphrase if I don't know what will happen next year during the city goals. We are discussing change mainly because you want to remember these current events is what I did but thank you so much. For your insightful discussion on the issue, please think for quite a number of same time for more training in building give them the skills they need that you have a 0x from Hello, Titus I'm here. Just I will just give you the money you should do in this call and request everybody to time and can you hear me? Yes. Hello. So what ended stress? How about thinking particularly, about how to support women to be able to advance in an 80s.
So I would encourage us all to find a way into Internet Society Vantage projects project. I think information 10 cents out I didn't bring Yeah,
it was joining, but I hope she should she should be sending out information so that everyone here bit in the
only being up under those and ongoing nothing so love to live. Thank you and have a nice day thank you yeah, so such as ICT have a lot to me I mean, thank you very much. Appreciate your feedback. I just have a great rating online meetings it's a sit in ICT globe for the full sessions but not for geeks on social media, Twitter, Facebook. LinkedIn has been a champion used to get that role for money. As a young lady out there. See them far from me in the chapter I think you not you're savvy enough plant. Rosa bility. Angela, Anita gotta do from a gender initiative to think and have a great day. Bye Bye So